1 00:00:37,450 --> 00:00:21,840 [Music] 2 00:00:44,410 --> 00:00:41,750 explode the bazaars are your e-ticket 3 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:44,420 ride into the world of the paranoid 4 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:47,730 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:55,149 --> 00:00:52,010 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:00:57,530 --> 00:00:55,159 ghosts Lost Worlds 7 00:01:01,369 --> 00:00:57,540 cryptozoology waters as well as other 8 00:01:06,529 --> 00:01:01,379 dimensions it's time to take back the 9 00:01:09,620 --> 00:01:06,539 night now your electrifying hosts of 10 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:09,630 exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and 11 00:01:21,499 --> 00:01:18,810 team sports wow what an eerie sight this 12 00:01:25,969 --> 00:01:21,509 is out here Here I am all alone on this 13 00:01:29,180 --> 00:01:25,979 deserted road and and I'm out hunting 14 00:01:32,139 --> 00:01:29,190 for UFOs I remember back in Warminster 15 00:01:34,399 --> 00:01:32,149 England I actually signaled with one 16 00:01:34,940 --> 00:01:34,409 similar to this object actually in the 17 00:01:37,010 --> 00:01:34,950 sky 18 00:01:39,109 --> 00:01:37,020 I had a big torchlight a big searchlight 19 00:01:41,570 --> 00:01:39,119 in my hand and I blinked it on and off 20 00:01:43,460 --> 00:01:41,580 and on and off and on and off I hear the 21 00:01:45,949 --> 00:01:43,470 crickets and the whooping of the the 22 00:01:50,330 --> 00:01:45,959 frogs and the Owls and let me try 23 00:01:52,490 --> 00:01:50,340 blinking at this UFO blink blink oh look 24 00:01:55,490 --> 00:01:52,500 at it it seems to be responding there's 25 00:01:56,990 --> 00:01:55,500 a UFO in the sky there's a Starman maybe 26 00:01:59,210 --> 00:01:57,000 he's come to take me away 27 00:02:01,940 --> 00:01:59,220 I hope he's friendly because I know our 28 00:02:04,010 --> 00:02:01,950 guest star tonight as far as our co-host 29 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:04,020 Tim Schwartz out there in Jasper Indiana 30 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:06,450 oh no here comes the mothership 31 00:02:11,390 --> 00:02:08,489 right behind the Scout craft well I 32 00:02:13,550 --> 00:02:11,400 better get back into the car and and try 33 00:02:18,559 --> 00:02:13,560 to get out of here I don't trust all of 34 00:02:21,050 --> 00:02:18,569 these aliens Tim if they take your way 35 00:02:21,740 --> 00:02:21,060 give me your car keys you're my right 36 00:02:26,180 --> 00:02:21,750 out of here 37 00:02:29,110 --> 00:02:26,190 oh well I don't know that it did it look 38 00:02:32,270 --> 00:02:29,120 like he was aiming it you were at me oh 39 00:02:34,009 --> 00:02:32,280 thank you thank you very much all right 40 00:02:41,570 --> 00:02:34,019 okay they can they can take you now oh 41 00:02:44,149 --> 00:02:41,580 good is that the car keys probably want 42 00:02:47,180 --> 00:02:44,159 to take over control of the show as well 43 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:47,190 uh-huh nobody can take over this take 44 00:02:51,869 --> 00:02:50,290 over this show like you do Tim 45 00:02:53,849 --> 00:02:51,879 bless you bless your heart there'll be 46 00:02:57,569 --> 00:02:53,859 something in your Christmas bonus this 47 00:03:00,229 --> 00:02:57,579 year Oh more more coal in my stockings 48 00:03:03,690 --> 00:03:00,239 hey speaking of bonus if anybody's got a 49 00:03:05,819 --> 00:03:03,700 good office chair I did a donation this 50 00:03:08,490 --> 00:03:05,829 thing rattles and rolls like you 51 00:03:12,330 --> 00:03:08,500 wouldn't wouldn't believe and it's so 52 00:03:14,970 --> 00:03:12,340 uncomfortable to be seated on for two 53 00:03:18,059 --> 00:03:14,980 hours even with three pillows on it so 54 00:03:20,220 --> 00:03:18,069 just send it in a cardboard box email me 55 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:20,230 or give me on Facebook and I'll give you 56 00:03:24,690 --> 00:03:22,930 my address and and and set and send it 57 00:03:28,610 --> 00:03:24,700 over no more recliner so I don't have 58 00:03:31,349 --> 00:03:28,620 any room for so so so Tim enough of this 59 00:03:33,839 --> 00:03:31,359 chatter here I know we're getting ready 60 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:33,849 for Thanksgiving yeah have you got to 61 00:03:45,979 --> 00:03:42,300 yes that's right we've got our 62 00:03:48,509 --> 00:03:45,989 free-range turkeys that I'm gonna send 63 00:03:51,420 --> 00:03:48,519 Melissa out with the hatchet to I pick 64 00:03:54,479 --> 00:03:51,430 one and and take it out because I just 65 00:03:57,420 --> 00:03:54,489 don't have the heart for it well yeah 66 00:03:59,939 --> 00:03:57,430 you know one of the famous coffee shops 67 00:04:03,479 --> 00:03:59,949 I guess I could mention it that could 68 00:04:05,429 --> 00:04:03,489 Donuts has an ice cream turkey for 69 00:04:07,589 --> 00:04:05,439 Thanksgiving but you can only order it 70 00:04:09,689 --> 00:04:07,599 online now I'm not saying that you 71 00:04:12,890 --> 00:04:09,699 should I'm not saying that you shouldn't 72 00:04:18,270 --> 00:04:12,900 I just think it's very bizarre I mean I 73 00:04:20,610 --> 00:04:18,280 look at the the photo in the Dunkin 74 00:04:20,969 --> 00:04:20,620 Donuts and I can't tell whether it's ice 75 00:04:22,860 --> 00:04:20,979 cream 76 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:22,870 it covered with chocolate or it's a real 77 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:25,570 turkey covered with chocolate yes I'm 78 00:04:31,620 --> 00:04:27,610 gonna ask why I would have one of our 79 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:31,630 brave and listeners to find out and it 80 00:04:36,899 --> 00:04:33,610 for us and check in with us a little 81 00:04:39,659 --> 00:04:36,909 snow anyway we have our tonight because 82 00:04:43,850 --> 00:04:39,669 I'm raring to go and I'm very excited 83 00:04:46,469 --> 00:04:43,860 about this show because by way of 84 00:04:51,719 --> 00:04:46,479 synchronicity I know what are the guests 85 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:51,729 tonight Oh fantastic well we have as as 86 00:04:57,540 --> 00:04:53,530 usual we have two fantastic cast tonight 87 00:05:01,060 --> 00:04:57,550 we have William Kent Center now William 88 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:01,070 or or is it can't you 89 00:05:06,130 --> 00:05:04,010 go by Kent okay let's go back in that's 90 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:06,140 what I thought well Kent was born in 91 00:05:16,690 --> 00:05:10,850 1953 in Durham North Carolina and after 92 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:16,700 having several UFO experiences at a at a 93 00:05:25,510 --> 00:05:20,810 fairly young age he really kind of 94 00:05:27,850 --> 00:05:25,520 became disenchanted by the ridicule that 95 00:05:31,390 --> 00:05:27,860 he got what he tried to tell others 96 00:05:34,450 --> 00:05:31,400 about it and I tell you a Kent I have 97 00:05:38,380 --> 00:05:34,460 had so many witnesses tell me the very 98 00:05:40,060 --> 00:05:38,390 same thing so I can see where that you 99 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:40,070 know that really got to started in all 100 00:05:45,310 --> 00:05:43,130 this so in the mid-1980s 101 00:05:47,500 --> 00:05:45,320 I can't felt that he had to do more than 102 00:05:50,590 --> 00:05:47,510 just research and that's when he 103 00:05:52,660 --> 00:05:50,600 searched out George faucets another 104 00:05:54,490 --> 00:05:52,670 well-known researcher in North Carolina 105 00:05:58,120 --> 00:05:54,500 and the two started the North Carolina 106 00:06:01,180 --> 00:05:58,130 State Chapter for MUFON and in 2013 107 00:06:03,730 --> 00:06:01,190 Center started the Center for UFO 108 00:06:05,350 --> 00:06:03,740 research North Carolina and hosted their 109 00:06:07,690 --> 00:06:05,360 first conference in June that of that 110 00:06:13,150 --> 00:06:07,700 year and then they had another last 111 00:06:15,700 --> 00:06:13,160 October in 2016 so also joining us 112 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:15,710 tonight is Kent's daughter Lindsay 113 00:06:22,270 --> 00:06:18,890 Center now Lindsay is the daughter as we 114 00:06:27,700 --> 00:06:22,280 said of Williams Center and you know the 115 00:06:33,450 --> 00:06:27,710 UFO mystery has always played a major 116 00:06:36,610 --> 00:06:33,460 role throughout her life she says that 117 00:06:38,740 --> 00:06:36,620 you know at times that she has become 118 00:06:40,690 --> 00:06:38,750 disheartened about the prejudice that 119 00:06:42,940 --> 00:06:40,700 surrounds the UFO mystery and she states 120 00:06:45,190 --> 00:06:42,950 that she's often reluctant to bring up 121 00:06:48,310 --> 00:06:45,200 the subject even around friends because 122 00:06:51,010 --> 00:06:48,320 of the dismissive added attitudes and 123 00:06:53,350 --> 00:06:51,020 jokes that people always tend to make 124 00:06:54,430 --> 00:06:53,360 when you want to talk about UFOs you 125 00:06:55,900 --> 00:06:54,440 know what are people you know what are 126 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:55,910 their injury lookout drugs have been 127 00:07:01,090 --> 00:06:58,610 taking and you know she as she finds 128 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:01,100 that frustrating and when asked what she 129 00:07:05,860 --> 00:07:03,890 was most interested in about UFOs and 130 00:07:08,500 --> 00:07:05,870 other paranormal phenomena she answered 131 00:07:11,170 --> 00:07:08,510 all of that now Lindsay is also the 132 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:11,180 owner of center stage event in North 133 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:14,050 Carolina center stage 134 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:15,610 it's represent some of the best of the 135 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:18,210 field when it comes to all things weird 136 00:07:23,610 --> 00:07:20,770 magical and paranormal with wide range 137 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:23,620 of talent perfect for all event and 138 00:07:27,689 --> 00:07:25,930 entertainment needs so Kent Lindsay 139 00:07:32,939 --> 00:07:27,699 thank you very much for being with us 140 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:32,949 tonight on the what do you know you know 141 00:07:39,390 --> 00:07:36,370 I have a synchronicity Tim that I always 142 00:07:41,790 --> 00:07:39,400 have a secretive City and it seems 143 00:07:43,439 --> 00:07:41,800 another one out of you bang well this 144 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:43,449 one is actually written up as well in 145 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:46,930 the matrix control system of philip k 146 00:07:54,749 --> 00:07:49,810 dick and the paranormal synchronicities 147 00:07:59,040 --> 00:07:54,759 of tim Beckley and it involves a mutual 148 00:08:03,180 --> 00:07:59,050 friend of cats and mind the late George 149 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:03,190 Fawcett George Fawcett was a UFO 150 00:08:07,950 --> 00:08:06,370 investigator who was a really a true 151 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:07,960 pioneer in the field then he talked 152 00:08:14,550 --> 00:08:10,210 about me being a pioneer and all he he 153 00:08:19,170 --> 00:08:14,560 went back before my time even and when I 154 00:08:23,159 --> 00:08:19,180 was a teenager I used to drive up to his 155 00:08:26,939 --> 00:08:23,169 home in Easton Pennsylvania 156 00:08:31,439 --> 00:08:26,949 he had a fabulous UFO photo collection 157 00:08:33,079 --> 00:08:31,449 and he was running the Pennsylvanian New 158 00:08:38,389 --> 00:08:33,089 Jersey and I know I've got this wrong 159 00:08:41,819 --> 00:08:38,399 Pennsylvania New Jersey a UFO a research 160 00:08:44,130 --> 00:08:41,829 group and was very active George always 161 00:08:48,780 --> 00:08:44,140 worked most of his life if not all of 162 00:08:52,050 --> 00:08:48,790 his life full-time for the y-m-c-a that 163 00:08:55,740 --> 00:08:52,060 was his a daytime job and in the evening 164 00:09:01,590 --> 00:08:55,750 he collected a UFO material and case 165 00:09:05,130 --> 00:09:01,600 studies he was a UFO researcher like no 166 00:09:06,930 --> 00:09:05,140 other in fact I just recently published 167 00:09:09,990 --> 00:09:06,940 a book we just published a book called 168 00:09:13,199 --> 00:09:10,000 inside the saucers which is a reprint of 169 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:13,209 the first book I ever did in 1964 at the 170 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:16,570 age of about 15 and I see that there's a 171 00:09:22,530 --> 00:09:19,930 chapter in there by George Foster on 15 172 00:09:25,230 --> 00:09:22,540 years of UFO research now it would be 173 00:09:25,870 --> 00:09:25,240 what 70 years of UFO research if he were 174 00:09:27,879 --> 00:09:25,880 sick 175 00:09:30,670 --> 00:09:27,889 and and he would say he would still be 176 00:09:32,259 --> 00:09:30,680 recording all the active activities so 177 00:09:34,210 --> 00:09:32,269 George and I had a pretty good 178 00:09:37,389 --> 00:09:34,220 relationship and we corresponded for 179 00:09:41,860 --> 00:09:37,399 many many years now 180 00:09:45,610 --> 00:09:41,870 I'm back I guess in the 1990s I couldn't 181 00:09:50,139 --> 00:09:45,620 give you the exact year I decided to 182 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:50,149 attend the euphonic Convention in Denver 183 00:09:55,350 --> 00:09:53,690 Colorado I'm not a member of a MUFON but 184 00:09:59,590 --> 00:09:55,360 I thought it would be a good place to 185 00:10:01,960 --> 00:09:59,600 lug a lot of my books out and and try to 186 00:10:05,259 --> 00:10:01,970 present them to MUFON members who might 187 00:10:07,389 --> 00:10:05,269 not know of our publishing activities so 188 00:10:08,829 --> 00:10:07,399 I took like 12 boxes of books not 189 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:08,839 personally but I shipped him out ahead 190 00:10:15,999 --> 00:10:13,370 of time and there was a stop over in st. 191 00:10:19,180 --> 00:10:16,009 Louis before boarding another plane to 192 00:10:21,069 --> 00:10:19,190 go on to Denver so of course it's 193 00:10:25,030 --> 00:10:21,079 usually about an hour or an hour and a 194 00:10:27,189 --> 00:10:25,040 half the lights on the next flight you 195 00:10:29,230 --> 00:10:27,199 don't do you get on the next plane and 196 00:10:31,870 --> 00:10:29,240 and so what do you do usually roam 197 00:10:34,509 --> 00:10:31,880 around and you end up in the bar or the 198 00:10:38,740 --> 00:10:34,519 luncheon luncheon that area the dining 199 00:10:41,230 --> 00:10:38,750 area and lo and behold I walked into the 200 00:10:43,449 --> 00:10:41,240 dining area and there's a gentleman that 201 00:10:46,629 --> 00:10:43,459 I think I recognized and lo and behold 202 00:10:50,170 --> 00:10:46,639 it is George Fossett well now I have not 203 00:10:51,970 --> 00:10:50,180 seen George Fossett in many a moon I 204 00:10:53,650 --> 00:10:51,980 mean I you know several decades I I 205 00:10:56,079 --> 00:10:53,660 can't remember the last time that I saw 206 00:11:01,269 --> 00:10:56,089 him and our correspondence had been 207 00:11:03,249 --> 00:11:01,279 limited in in recent years but of course 208 00:11:05,139 --> 00:11:03,259 I was very happy to see him because like 209 00:11:07,870 --> 00:11:05,149 I say he was an old chum going back to 210 00:11:10,090 --> 00:11:07,880 the 1960 so I go over to say George how 211 00:11:12,519 --> 00:11:10,100 are you well well you know when I what a 212 00:11:15,699 --> 00:11:12,529 coincidence what a word right what a 213 00:11:17,949 --> 00:11:15,709 coincident is that were a meeting here 214 00:11:20,319 --> 00:11:17,959 on the way to the new font convention 215 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:20,329 and he looks at me and he says new font 216 00:11:23,290 --> 00:11:22,130 convention and I said yes aren't you 217 00:11:25,569 --> 00:11:23,300 going to Deborah for the beautiful 218 00:11:30,670 --> 00:11:25,579 convention and he says no I'm going to 219 00:11:35,230 --> 00:11:30,680 Roswell to talk about I'm taking over my 220 00:11:37,509 --> 00:11:35,240 UFO library when I when I passed away 221 00:11:39,530 --> 00:11:37,519 and I said well that's really strange I 222 00:11:41,300 --> 00:11:39,540 mean what's the chance I'm in New York 223 00:11:43,389 --> 00:11:41,310 he's in North Carolina what's the 224 00:11:47,150 --> 00:11:43,399 chances of meeting in the luncheonette 225 00:11:50,180 --> 00:11:47,160 without any you know the big Priya 226 00:11:52,939 --> 00:11:50,190 preordained or or our planned in advance 227 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:52,949 so we had a little chuckle over it shook 228 00:11:57,050 --> 00:11:54,690 his head and got back on the year the 229 00:12:01,340 --> 00:11:57,060 plane but there's another synchronicity 230 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:01,350 meeting that George George Fossett in 231 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:05,250 the airport in st. Louis even though we 232 00:12:13,009 --> 00:12:10,170 are going our separate way yeah he did 233 00:12:17,269 --> 00:12:13,019 donated all of his information to there 234 00:12:19,249 --> 00:12:17,279 his goal was to start a basically a UFO 235 00:12:22,129 --> 00:12:19,259 museum here in North Carolina but that 236 00:12:25,939 --> 00:12:22,139 didn't come to fruition so he donated 237 00:12:26,900 --> 00:12:25,949 all his items there to the museum there 238 00:12:31,129 --> 00:12:26,910 in Roswell 239 00:12:33,620 --> 00:12:31,139 well can I you know I know you is a 240 00:12:35,269 --> 00:12:33,630 friend on Facebook I don't know too much 241 00:12:40,759 --> 00:12:35,279 about your activities and that's why 242 00:12:44,180 --> 00:12:40,769 you're on tonight and also I was 243 00:12:46,910 --> 00:12:44,190 impressed also by the fact that you were 244 00:12:51,889 --> 00:12:46,920 associated with Georgia Fawcett because 245 00:12:53,329 --> 00:12:51,899 he was a an outstanding researcher he 246 00:12:59,030 --> 00:12:53,339 didn't take no nonsense 247 00:13:02,750 --> 00:12:59,040 and he didn't print no BS and he was you 248 00:13:04,939 --> 00:13:02,760 know very very much into this for many 249 00:13:08,180 --> 00:13:04,949 many years I mean how many people do you 250 00:13:10,579 --> 00:13:08,190 know gosh I was within 20 years that I 251 00:13:15,949 --> 00:13:10,589 was with him we started back in like I 252 00:13:20,059 --> 00:13:15,959 said in the gifts in 1988 if when I have 253 00:13:22,970 --> 00:13:20,069 had enough well had he as bought his UFO 254 00:13:25,250 --> 00:13:22,980 organism set up his UFO organization 255 00:13:29,269 --> 00:13:25,260 down there is that how you better well 256 00:13:32,780 --> 00:13:29,279 know what he did after I had my my 257 00:13:35,629 --> 00:13:32,790 sighting in Durham in the mid-80s that's 258 00:13:37,550 --> 00:13:35,639 when I just said I've got to find out 259 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:37,560 what the heck is going on because if 260 00:13:44,150 --> 00:13:40,410 I've had some it started when I was 261 00:13:46,009 --> 00:13:44,160 young I had a sighting and when I grew 262 00:13:47,449 --> 00:13:46,019 up right outside of DC actually my 263 00:13:50,210 --> 00:13:47,459 father was with the federal government 264 00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:50,220 so we moved up to Washington DC I lived 265 00:13:53,900 --> 00:13:53,310 in Falls Church and I had a sighting 266 00:13:57,550 --> 00:13:53,910 there when I 267 00:14:01,760 --> 00:13:57,560 9 and then when I was later around 14 268 00:14:03,860 --> 00:14:01,770 but the people around the area where you 269 00:14:05,830 --> 00:14:03,870 live everybody in DC was either with the 270 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:05,840 government or the military or whatever 271 00:14:13,910 --> 00:14:10,290 but I had this sighting in in Falls 272 00:14:17,900 --> 00:14:13,920 Church and the gentleman my dad's friend 273 00:14:20,690 --> 00:14:17,910 that lived behind us later on I find out 274 00:14:23,230 --> 00:14:20,700 he was with the Defense Intelligence 275 00:14:25,910 --> 00:14:23,240 Agency he was stationed out in Roswell 276 00:14:30,230 --> 00:14:25,920 you're stationed at wright-patterson and 277 00:14:32,420 --> 00:14:30,240 this guy was the head of there the photo 278 00:14:36,590 --> 00:14:32,430 reconnaissance lab out of the Pentagon 279 00:14:38,870 --> 00:14:36,600 for DIA and Colonel Blanchard was his 280 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:38,880 commander just about everywhere he went 281 00:14:46,790 --> 00:14:44,610 and this guy and then my best friend's 282 00:14:49,190 --> 00:14:46,800 father was deputy director of Federal 283 00:14:51,590 --> 00:14:49,200 Aviation agency he used to fly in the 284 00:14:54,500 --> 00:14:51,600 Air Force flew in the Army Air Corps 285 00:14:58,070 --> 00:14:54,510 under her curtis lemay but when I had 286 00:15:01,910 --> 00:14:58,080 this sighting when I was nine I asked my 287 00:15:04,820 --> 00:15:01,920 best friend's father the the FAA guy if 288 00:15:07,070 --> 00:15:04,830 flying saucers are real well just 289 00:15:09,620 --> 00:15:07,080 regress a little what exactly did you 290 00:15:12,770 --> 00:15:09,630 see at age 9 well I saw these two 291 00:15:15,170 --> 00:15:12,780 basically on an upstairs bedroom I share 292 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:15,180 with my brother and my whole bedroom 293 00:15:19,790 --> 00:15:17,850 just lit up just like solid white and 294 00:15:23,060 --> 00:15:19,800 was so bright coming from outside the 295 00:15:24,530 --> 00:15:23,070 window and I got up to look out the 296 00:15:27,410 --> 00:15:24,540 window and there was just these two 297 00:15:28,940 --> 00:15:27,420 glowing just like balls of light but 298 00:15:31,130 --> 00:15:28,950 they were they were big like they 299 00:15:34,370 --> 00:15:31,140 covered half my backyard up in the air 300 00:15:35,900 --> 00:15:34,380 they were just humongous and I kept 301 00:15:39,220 --> 00:15:35,910 trying to wake my brother up and he 302 00:15:41,660 --> 00:15:39,230 wouldn't wake up so I ran downstairs 303 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:41,670 looking out our patio door and just 304 00:15:47,780 --> 00:15:44,130 watched these two big white objects and 305 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:47,790 I really after that I don't remember how 306 00:15:51,170 --> 00:15:49,290 I got back in the bed or anything I just 307 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:51,180 I just ended back up my bed waking up 308 00:15:54,890 --> 00:15:52,610 the next morning and then I got up and 309 00:15:58,790 --> 00:15:54,900 you know it's pretty upset with my 310 00:16:01,280 --> 00:15:58,800 brother he wouldn't wake up and and I 311 00:16:05,860 --> 00:16:01,290 just remember not knowing what these 312 00:16:08,260 --> 00:16:05,870 things were and so 313 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:08,270 that led me to ask the question to my 314 00:16:12,910 --> 00:16:10,250 best friend's father if flying saucers 315 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:12,920 are real and you know I was nine years 316 00:16:18,490 --> 00:16:17,210 old at the time and back then yeah I'm 317 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:18,500 sure you know what Kennedy is the 318 00:16:22,930 --> 00:16:19,850 president you're living in DC 319 00:16:26,140 --> 00:16:22,940 everybody's so patriotic and you know 320 00:16:27,460 --> 00:16:26,150 the military is on your side does every 321 00:16:30,820 --> 00:16:27,470 you know is going to protect you the 322 00:16:33,310 --> 00:16:30,830 whole deal and I remember asking him if 323 00:16:35,620 --> 00:16:33,320 flying saucers are real and he just had 324 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:35,630 this shocked look on his face and he 325 00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:37,370 turned to me and he'd fought for him and 326 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:38,720 he didn't answer me right away and then 327 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:41,930 he said you know had a guy it was in our 328 00:16:46,540 --> 00:16:44,570 outfit that walked into a hangar where 329 00:16:48,550 --> 00:16:46,550 one had crashed and they had it in this 330 00:16:50,380 --> 00:16:48,560 hangar and he wasn't supposed to see it 331 00:16:52,750 --> 00:16:50,390 and he goes you know what they did to 332 00:16:54,810 --> 00:16:52,760 him and I went what and he said they 333 00:16:57,430 --> 00:16:54,820 locked him up in the mental hospital and 334 00:16:58,690 --> 00:16:57,440 I said why did they do that and he said 335 00:17:02,140 --> 00:16:58,700 because when he gets out and talks 336 00:17:03,460 --> 00:17:02,150 nobody's going to believe him and then 337 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:03,470 he just turned back he was cooking 338 00:17:08,980 --> 00:17:06,170 steaks on the grill outside and then he 339 00:17:12,340 --> 00:17:08,990 just looked away and you know that it 340 00:17:15,309 --> 00:17:12,350 basically right then scared the heck out 341 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:15,319 of me I mean I was I had such a fear 342 00:17:19,270 --> 00:17:17,089 like oh my gosh because I was getting 343 00:17:20,620 --> 00:17:19,280 ready to tell him what I saw and then 344 00:17:22,660 --> 00:17:20,630 all of a sudden I felt like man if I 345 00:17:25,390 --> 00:17:22,670 open my mouth you know they're gonna 346 00:17:28,329 --> 00:17:25,400 lock me up you know at nine years old it 347 00:17:30,669 --> 00:17:28,339 just really stuck with me it really kind 348 00:17:32,290 --> 00:17:30,679 of terrified me I'm like then I couldn't 349 00:17:33,730 --> 00:17:32,300 believe why would the government do that 350 00:17:37,030 --> 00:17:33,740 you know why would the Air Force do that 351 00:17:40,270 --> 00:17:37,040 to somebody and it really stuck with me 352 00:17:43,180 --> 00:17:40,280 and so I never told anyone you know what 353 00:17:46,690 --> 00:17:43,190 I saw at that as far as growing up and 354 00:17:50,049 --> 00:17:46,700 then had another similar encounter when 355 00:17:52,930 --> 00:17:50,059 I was 14 we had a screen porch in our 356 00:17:55,870 --> 00:17:52,940 backyard attached the house and you know 357 00:17:58,360 --> 00:17:55,880 DC is a muggy humid place in the 358 00:18:01,180 --> 00:17:58,370 summertime it's he's actually built on a 359 00:18:02,950 --> 00:18:01,190 swamp that's uh so humid in the summer 360 00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:02,960 so I would go outside and I would sleep 361 00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:06,320 on the screen porch and I woke up and 362 00:18:12,730 --> 00:18:10,160 saw like a cone-shaped light coming down 363 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:12,740 to the ground and it was a cupboard 364 00:18:17,020 --> 00:18:15,530 screen porch so I couldn't see where it 365 00:18:18,490 --> 00:18:17,030 was coming from is I just was looking 366 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:18,500 out the screen was coming down to the 367 00:18:21,020 --> 00:18:19,410 ground and 368 00:18:24,590 --> 00:18:21,030 and all of a sudden this light stops 369 00:18:26,270 --> 00:18:24,600 like two three feet off the ground and I 370 00:18:28,700 --> 00:18:26,280 thought that was so strange and I walked 371 00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:28,710 outside the screen porch and the light 372 00:18:34,190 --> 00:18:30,960 was coming from it was like a bright 373 00:18:37,490 --> 00:18:34,200 orange disc shape object and I just no 374 00:18:39,170 --> 00:18:37,500 sound it was just dead silence and then 375 00:18:41,420 --> 00:18:39,180 this thing the light went back up into 376 00:18:44,090 --> 00:18:41,430 it and then just it just started 377 00:18:45,380 --> 00:18:44,100 floating away over the trees and I just 378 00:18:46,820 --> 00:18:45,390 remember running down the street trying 379 00:18:48,740 --> 00:18:46,830 to see it but by the time I got to the 380 00:18:52,610 --> 00:18:48,750 end of the street you know where there's 381 00:18:55,580 --> 00:18:52,620 a clear opening there it was gone and so 382 00:18:59,270 --> 00:18:55,590 those two things occurred you know at an 383 00:19:01,430 --> 00:18:59,280 early age and iron-like 14 years old and 384 00:19:04,220 --> 00:19:01,440 then what actually Kent was that the 385 00:19:06,890 --> 00:19:04,230 experience that you later tried to tell 386 00:19:10,220 --> 00:19:06,900 your dad about by trying to show him a 387 00:19:12,980 --> 00:19:10,230 UFO magazine yeah well what happened was 388 00:19:15,290 --> 00:19:12,990 I had you know these sightings in my 389 00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:15,300 memory and there was this look issue 390 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:18,240 flying saucers did a special issue on 391 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:20,130 flying saucers and I begged my mom to 392 00:19:24,110 --> 00:19:22,530 get this for me and she bought me the 393 00:19:29,030 --> 00:19:24,120 magazine and when I ran out in the 394 00:19:31,070 --> 00:19:29,040 screened porch for my dad and two 395 00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:31,080 gentlemen one was the guy with the Air 396 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:32,370 Force dia 397 00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:35,730 he sat in the corner he was you know the 398 00:19:38,780 --> 00:19:36,960 whole neighborhood was scared of this 399 00:19:40,850 --> 00:19:38,790 guy because he was really Stern with his 400 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:40,860 kids you didn't even want to look at him 401 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:42,690 you know he was just one of those that 402 00:19:46,910 --> 00:19:45,210 kind of scared you as a kid and another 403 00:19:48,170 --> 00:19:46,920 neighbor was out there and the three of 404 00:19:50,090 --> 00:19:48,180 them were out in the screened porch and 405 00:19:52,340 --> 00:19:50,100 I just ran out it's so excited about 406 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:52,350 this because I wanted my dad to see it 407 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:55,170 because it was here 408 00:19:58,910 --> 00:19:57,090 there's there's a picture of a flying 409 00:20:00,290 --> 00:19:58,920 disc on the cover the whole thing there 410 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:00,300 you know I just wanted him to see how 411 00:20:04,580 --> 00:20:02,570 real these things were you know and 412 00:20:07,130 --> 00:20:04,590 naturally he started scoffing and 413 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:07,140 started ridiculing me and they were 414 00:20:12,620 --> 00:20:09,090 sitting there laughing and I didn't want 415 00:20:15,170 --> 00:20:12,630 to look over - I'll just I'll tell you 416 00:20:16,790 --> 00:20:15,180 his name was Jack this is what I'll tell 417 00:20:19,670 --> 00:20:16,800 because I don't want to tell her the 418 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:19,680 last name yet but so I didn't want to 419 00:20:25,490 --> 00:20:23,490 look at Jackson and when I did I was 420 00:20:28,700 --> 00:20:25,500 shocked because I thought he would be 421 00:20:30,170 --> 00:20:28,710 you know joking at me the most and he 422 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:30,180 was sitting in the chair and he had his 423 00:20:34,420 --> 00:20:32,690 head bent over looking down like 424 00:20:37,300 --> 00:20:34,430 at the ground and he had clenched his 425 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:37,310 fist and he was just gripping his fist 426 00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:40,250 and shaking his head like no you know 427 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:41,600 looking at the ground as they were 428 00:20:47,500 --> 00:20:45,290 making fun of me and it I didn't 429 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:47,510 understand it kind of threw me off you 430 00:20:51,460 --> 00:20:49,250 know I figured he'd be laughing and 431 00:20:54,220 --> 00:20:51,470 everything was until later I found out 432 00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:54,230 what his history was and what his job 433 00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:58,880 was and what he did but that occurred 434 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:01,280 you know after after my sighting when I 435 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:06,050 was 14 and that's kind of stood out you 436 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:08,090 know in my mind but it wasn't till the 437 00:21:16,780 --> 00:21:11,450 mid 80s I was working two full-time jobs 438 00:21:19,450 --> 00:21:16,790 I ran a a assembly line for northern 439 00:21:22,150 --> 00:21:19,460 telecom Research Triangle Park and I was 440 00:21:25,770 --> 00:21:22,160 a front office manager to Holiday Inn 441 00:21:28,210 --> 00:21:25,780 hotel and I've worked midnight to 442 00:21:30,130 --> 00:21:28,220 midnight to 7:00 in the morning shift in 443 00:21:33,100 --> 00:21:30,140 northern telecom I got off at 11 o'clock 444 00:21:35,020 --> 00:21:33,110 at night at the hotel so I had an hour 445 00:21:38,350 --> 00:21:35,030 in between to get home grab something to 446 00:21:40,270 --> 00:21:38,360 eat and get to a my second job and when 447 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:40,280 I arrived to my houses about 11:00 10:00 448 00:21:46,540 --> 00:21:43,490 I mean yeah 10:00 after 11:00 at night I 449 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:46,550 drove up a month driveway got out of the 450 00:21:51,810 --> 00:21:48,890 car and there was this craft just 451 00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:51,820 sitting up in the air probably more than 452 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:54,320 400 feet high about a quarter of a mile 453 00:22:00,010 --> 00:21:57,290 away and he just sat there had these 454 00:22:02,410 --> 00:22:00,020 three big bright I've never seen lights 455 00:22:04,030 --> 00:22:02,420 like this they didn't glow but they were 456 00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:04,040 very bright was this to be painted 457 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:06,110 circles perfect circles in the sky and 458 00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:08,450 they look like they were recessed to bed 459 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:10,400 you didn't have a camera with you oh I 460 00:22:15,070 --> 00:22:13,370 was so I was just even the whole time 461 00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:15,080 this was going on I'm thinking god why 462 00:22:20,740 --> 00:22:18,310 didn't I have a camera but I got my wife 463 00:22:22,180 --> 00:22:20,750 out of the house I was yelling and 464 00:22:24,970 --> 00:22:22,190 yelling trying to get her out and 465 00:22:26,530 --> 00:22:24,980 because I didn't want to move yes and I 466 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:26,540 finally got her out to come look at it 467 00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,250 but after she looked at it for a minute 468 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:30,320 or so she just took off and ran back in 469 00:22:34,540 --> 00:22:32,810 the house and I got a flashlight out and 470 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:34,550 my card started flashing at this thing 471 00:22:40,900 --> 00:22:37,010 did like three long just like I did in 472 00:22:44,500 --> 00:22:40,910 the in the in the action because I got a 473 00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:44,510 response did you yeah yeah what happened 474 00:22:48,490 --> 00:22:46,310 was I had three long plaits 475 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:48,500 season 3 short I kept doing this and 476 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:51,290 then all of sudden as I'm watching it 477 00:22:55,060 --> 00:22:53,090 it's as if you hit a light switch and 478 00:22:57,940 --> 00:22:55,070 went pitch-black and the lights go out 479 00:22:59,860 --> 00:22:57,950 and that lasted about two minutes and I 480 00:23:01,390 --> 00:22:59,870 just leaned back against my car through 481 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:01,400 the flashlight back in the car and I'm 482 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:04,010 leaning against just thinking you know 483 00:23:08,590 --> 00:23:06,650 why why didn't have a camera man please 484 00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,600 come back you know but and I'm just 485 00:23:13,780 --> 00:23:10,640 thinking this stuff in my mind and all 486 00:23:15,970 --> 00:23:13,790 of a sudden is I'm leaning back this bar 487 00:23:19,570 --> 00:23:15,980 starts appearing over my head straight 488 00:23:21,490 --> 00:23:19,580 above me and it starts rotating around 489 00:23:22,750 --> 00:23:21,500 and I'm looking I guess it was like the 490 00:23:25,930 --> 00:23:22,760 back end of this thing 491 00:23:27,550 --> 00:23:25,940 and it started like a bright light I 492 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:27,560 could see it starts getting longer and 493 00:23:31,570 --> 00:23:29,330 longer and what it was was rotating 494 00:23:32,890 --> 00:23:31,580 around all right can't wait interrupt 495 00:23:34,780 --> 00:23:32,900 you're gonna have to interrupt 496 00:23:36,010 --> 00:23:34,790 I have to go to our bottom of the hour 497 00:23:38,370 --> 00:23:36,020 break so we'll continue this 498 00:23:48,350 --> 00:23:38,380 conversation when we come back on 499 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:52,500 now back to exploring the bazaars with 500 00:23:58,380 --> 00:23:55,090 two of the most electrifying researchers 501 00:24:04,049 --> 00:23:58,390 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca 502 00:24:07,529 --> 00:24:04,059 Lee hunting Swift's Wow lightning bolt 503 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:07,539 from the other side I swear oh it always 504 00:24:12,779 --> 00:24:10,570 gets me a you know Jay Wow you know I've 505 00:24:14,430 --> 00:24:12,789 been struck in a but so many times by 506 00:24:19,620 --> 00:24:14,440 that lightning bolt I don't know what to 507 00:24:22,889 --> 00:24:19,630 do I swear how do we Tim why don't we 508 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:22,899 let can't finish his story and they will 509 00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:25,330 will bring Lindsay in I think 510 00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:28,710 Kent where you left off you said that 511 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:32,110 you saw like a bar of light up here 512 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:34,330 suddenly appear oh yeah if there's 513 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:36,850 anybody you know called the UFO people 514 00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:39,250 out there that have seen the documentary 515 00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:40,990 in the Illinois sighting by the 516 00:24:47,399 --> 00:24:44,710 policeman in 2000 the back of this thing 517 00:24:49,950 --> 00:24:47,409 looked very similar almost identical for 518 00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:49,960 that type of craft it was just a 519 00:24:56,399 --> 00:24:53,110 rectangular bar and this thing took off 520 00:24:58,919 --> 00:24:56,409 behind my house and went was headed 521 00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,929 south and I drove got jumped in my car 522 00:25:02,159 --> 00:25:00,640 was chasing this thing and went to an 523 00:25:04,260 --> 00:25:02,169 area where there's a lake in our 524 00:25:07,230 --> 00:25:04,270 community and I could see this thing and 525 00:25:11,310 --> 00:25:07,240 it was just zipping off in the direction 526 00:25:13,409 --> 00:25:11,320 of the nuclear power plant it's about 20 527 00:25:17,610 --> 00:25:13,419 miles south of my house 528 00:25:21,919 --> 00:25:17,620 but that sighting and in one in the 70s 529 00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:21,929 in Lumberton had a flat going on and we 530 00:25:26,779 --> 00:25:24,640 initially were you involved in that flat 531 00:25:29,130 --> 00:25:26,789 Lumberton I remember the ham radio 532 00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:29,140 operators were receiving all kinds of 533 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:31,360 weird but yeah Road butters what 534 00:25:35,549 --> 00:25:33,730 happened was I was watching TV and saw 535 00:25:37,139 --> 00:25:35,559 where these UFOs were coming down so I 536 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:37,149 decided yeah I'm gonna jump in my car 537 00:25:42,779 --> 00:25:39,010 and go down there and this was in April 538 00:25:45,450 --> 00:25:42,789 of 1975 and here's the synchronicity 539 00:25:46,860 --> 00:25:45,460 it's it's unbelievable I have this 540 00:25:48,389 --> 00:25:46,870 sighting where I'm driving down the 541 00:25:52,649 --> 00:25:48,399 highway down there was right outside of 542 00:25:54,990 --> 00:25:52,659 Red Springs and Marana Lumberton and I 543 00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:55,000 kept driving around and never been down 544 00:25:57,670 --> 00:25:56,320 there so I'm just driving out in the 545 00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:57,680 country driving on these 546 00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:01,520 and I see the sheriff's car yeah I 547 00:26:04,990 --> 00:26:03,710 believe it was another car pull off to 548 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:05,000 the side of the road and they were guys 549 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:06,770 standing out in the field and I looked 550 00:26:15,130 --> 00:26:11,410 up and there was this like a glowing red 551 00:26:17,050 --> 00:26:15,140 flat object over the trees and it was 552 00:26:18,910 --> 00:26:17,060 going away moving away I got out of my 553 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:18,920 car looked at an assault was moving away 554 00:26:24,490 --> 00:26:21,290 so I jumped back in my car start chasing 555 00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:24,500 this thing well when I had my conference 556 00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:27,440 in 2013 557 00:26:31,450 --> 00:26:29,740 Leslie Kane who I had is one of my 558 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:31,460 speakers asked me I would do an 559 00:26:35,950 --> 00:26:34,010 interview with Leif Spiegel so I get on 560 00:26:37,450 --> 00:26:35,960 and start interviewing with Lee Spiegel 561 00:26:39,940 --> 00:26:37,460 and I started telling them about yeah if 562 00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:39,950 ou came from under Lumberton and I was 563 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:41,360 in contact with him back in those days 564 00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:44,210 yeah yeah well I sit there and I'm like 565 00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:46,640 Lee starts interviewing me he asked me 566 00:26:49,930 --> 00:26:48,320 about you know how my interest and 567 00:26:52,150 --> 00:26:49,940 everything so I start explaining my past 568 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:52,160 and when I got to the Lumberton sighting 569 00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,290 he gives Kent he stops interview because 570 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:56,480 do you know who I am I'm like yeah 571 00:27:01,800 --> 00:26:58,250 you're released beagle was a Huntington 572 00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:01,810 post and he goes do you remember the UN 573 00:27:06,550 --> 00:27:04,880 earrings and had jail and Hynek and 574 00:27:07,540 --> 00:27:06,560 everybody there I said yeah I said as a 575 00:27:10,030 --> 00:27:07,550 matter of fact I got a copy of that 576 00:27:12,730 --> 00:27:10,040 picture and he goes well that's me the 577 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:12,740 Serpico looking guy he said I organized 578 00:27:15,610 --> 00:27:15,170 that and I'm like you're kidding me he 579 00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:15,620 goes 580 00:27:19,030 --> 00:27:17,510 Kent I'm going to tell you something he 581 00:27:21,310 --> 00:27:19,040 goes you know the guy's standing out in 582 00:27:25,570 --> 00:27:21,320 the field in Lumberton he goes that was 583 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:25,580 me and like you're kidding me he goes no 584 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:28,250 he goes I was in that field he said 585 00:27:33,370 --> 00:27:30,530 Jalen honey could send him down and ask 586 00:27:34,930 --> 00:27:33,380 him to investigate that case one so he 587 00:27:36,010 --> 00:27:34,940 went down there and he was down through 588 00:27:37,450 --> 00:27:36,020 that hole d he was one of the 589 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:37,460 investigators there and he was the one 590 00:27:42,250 --> 00:27:39,130 out in the field with the sheriff's and 591 00:27:44,860 --> 00:27:42,260 he goes and you just missed it I said 592 00:27:47,260 --> 00:27:44,870 what do you mean he goes that craft had 593 00:27:49,210 --> 00:27:47,270 come over that field was sat right over 594 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:49,220 top of them and shined a big beam of 595 00:27:54,130 --> 00:27:52,250 light down on top of him and then turned 596 00:27:56,530 --> 00:27:54,140 the light off and slowly rotated and 597 00:27:59,140 --> 00:27:56,540 that's I caught the tail end of it when 598 00:28:01,090 --> 00:27:59,150 it was leaving I said you've got to be 599 00:28:03,940 --> 00:28:01,100 kidding me so Lee and I have hooked up a 600 00:28:09,790 --> 00:28:03,950 couple times and he was searching for 601 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:09,800 that Center for UFO studies that panic 602 00:28:13,930 --> 00:28:11,450 did on the Lumberton report 603 00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:13,940 and I finally found a copy of it on the 604 00:28:17,950 --> 00:28:16,159 Internet and France was in France so I 605 00:28:20,350 --> 00:28:17,960 got a copy of it made copies and sent 606 00:28:22,990 --> 00:28:20,360 him a copy but well I I wrote I wrote a 607 00:28:25,659 --> 00:28:23,000 really long article about the Lumberton 608 00:28:29,230 --> 00:28:25,669 a UFO incident I think it was for a 609 00:28:32,110 --> 00:28:29,240 Saugus UFO report magazine because I 610 00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:32,120 remember I had a photo of a it was a 611 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:34,370 lady or gentleman sitting there in front 612 00:28:39,460 --> 00:28:37,610 of their ham radio sets they were they 613 00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,470 were getting these messages on almost a 614 00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:41,600 nightly basis they were they were kind 615 00:28:46,740 --> 00:28:45,110 of synchronized I mean it was a robot 616 00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:46,750 because they kept repeating the same 617 00:28:56,529 --> 00:28:50,480 information or message yeah and over 618 00:28:58,509 --> 00:28:56,539 again yeah yeah it was it was sighted 619 00:29:01,060 --> 00:28:58,519 all over the place it's trying to light 620 00:29:03,789 --> 00:29:01,070 down and was beaming a big water tower 621 00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:03,799 down there the sheriff's deputy sheriff 622 00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:05,840 just so many people down there watching 623 00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:09,049 this thing it was it was unbelievable 624 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:12,320 but you know those things just make an 625 00:29:15,610 --> 00:29:13,850 impact you know once you see something 626 00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:15,620 like that it changes you you know you 627 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:19,039 realize something's going on that you're 628 00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,250 not being told and and it is the 629 00:29:28,419 --> 00:29:24,799 synchronicity there what happened is 630 00:29:30,370 --> 00:29:28,429 when I had this conference as soon as I 631 00:29:31,899 --> 00:29:30,380 have this conference and my wife she'll 632 00:29:34,570 --> 00:29:31,909 tell you I've told her back when I met 633 00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:34,580 her about my past and I said if you're 634 00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:37,360 gonna get to know me more you know I 635 00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:42,320 have remarried I remarried patty in it 636 00:29:46,419 --> 00:29:44,809 was I said if you want to get to know me 637 00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:46,429 you got to know about my past and if 638 00:29:50,649 --> 00:29:48,529 you're willing to accept that you know 639 00:29:54,250 --> 00:29:50,659 and don't think I'm crazy it's not like 640 00:29:58,180 --> 00:29:54,260 you're America's Most Wanted yeah well 641 00:30:01,600 --> 00:29:58,190 it's just like you know this topic with 642 00:30:05,580 --> 00:30:01,610 jobs and relationships it just doesn't 643 00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:05,590 work I mean no I'm interested because 644 00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:08,510 along with the kentis evening we have 645 00:30:14,460 --> 00:30:11,840 his daughter odd now there are a few 646 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:14,470 other there's maybe a couple of family 647 00:30:20,110 --> 00:30:17,570 families where well we got we got Paul 648 00:30:22,450 --> 00:30:20,120 and Ben II know who have been on the 649 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:22,460 show and they both share an intra their 650 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:25,250 father and son they both share 651 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:27,890 interest in the in the paranormal and 652 00:30:33,730 --> 00:30:30,770 then we have the woods isn't that right 653 00:30:38,110 --> 00:30:33,740 Tim the father and son who have done all 654 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:38,120 the investigation on the mj-12 oh yes 655 00:30:45,940 --> 00:30:40,930 right right right with Ryan Ryan woods 656 00:30:50,820 --> 00:30:45,950 yeah yeah Jim I think anyway I don't 657 00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:50,830 know of any other father and daughter 658 00:30:55,570 --> 00:30:53,360 team who have explored the these 659 00:30:58,540 --> 00:30:55,580 subjects together Lindsay won't you come 660 00:31:02,020 --> 00:30:58,550 in here and tell us a little bit about 661 00:31:04,180 --> 00:31:02,030 your your background as far as the UFOs 662 00:31:07,390 --> 00:31:04,190 and the paranormal goes do you think 663 00:31:09,220 --> 00:31:07,400 your your dad influences on this case 664 00:31:19,330 --> 00:31:09,230 some people might say you maybe you were 665 00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:19,340 brainwashed into believing you hello 666 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:23,120 Lindsay I think she's gonna have to try 667 00:31:32,110 --> 00:31:29,930 hitting a microphone you okay yes I 668 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:32,120 don't know my microphone just does not 669 00:31:37,510 --> 00:31:35,690 like me I guess at all no there's 670 00:31:42,850 --> 00:31:37,520 definitely no brainwashing whatsoever 671 00:31:44,590 --> 00:31:42,860 that's for sure it's just it's something 672 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:44,600 the paranormal just always been around 673 00:31:50,110 --> 00:31:47,330 since I've been a kid I always tell 674 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:50,120 people all the time that if that wasn't 675 00:31:55,290 --> 00:31:52,130 part of my life that would absolutely be 676 00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:55,300 abnormal for me so much has happened but 677 00:32:02,170 --> 00:31:58,250 everything in terms of UFOs and aliens 678 00:32:04,450 --> 00:32:02,180 it's definitely has surrounded my dad so 679 00:32:06,970 --> 00:32:04,460 all my sightings and everything that has 680 00:32:09,220 --> 00:32:06,980 always been when I'm around him what was 681 00:32:13,900 --> 00:32:09,230 it what did you tell us about some of 682 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:13,910 your experiences I think my first one 683 00:32:18,030 --> 00:32:17,450 was back in Hillsboro dad how long ago 684 00:32:21,670 --> 00:32:18,040 was that 685 00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:21,680 no that was back in the first part 1990s 686 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:25,310 the 90 yeah so yeah that's the first one 687 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:28,490 that that I saw I remember we were 688 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:30,890 driving home dad had a truck and it was 689 00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:32,810 back when it was still you know safe and 690 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:33,840 okay to ride in the back 691 00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:35,490 of a truck so my sister and I are in the 692 00:32:41,330 --> 00:32:38,700 back and he parked the car and my sister 693 00:32:42,860 --> 00:32:41,340 and I just jumped out and as soon as we 694 00:32:45,890 --> 00:32:42,870 did we just looked right up and we're 695 00:32:48,980 --> 00:32:45,900 like dad what is that and there's this I 696 00:32:51,890 --> 00:32:48,990 mean this huge object in the sky this is 697 00:32:55,070 --> 00:32:51,900 not just like a little I mean this was 698 00:32:57,470 --> 00:32:55,080 about the size of like a grapefruit from 699 00:33:00,019 --> 00:32:57,480 what I can recall it's just this huge 700 00:33:03,370 --> 00:33:00,029 object just sitting in the sky and dad 701 00:33:05,299 --> 00:33:03,380 you know getting into his mode of 702 00:33:06,590 --> 00:33:05,309 investigation he just looks at us he's 703 00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,600 like okay don't move don't take your 704 00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:08,159 eyes off it I got to go grab my camera 705 00:33:12,260 --> 00:33:10,679 and he runs inside to the house and as 706 00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,270 soon as he gets right back outside with 707 00:33:18,620 --> 00:33:14,399 his camera that thing is just gone it's 708 00:33:23,299 --> 00:33:18,630 hard boy it's almost like it's reading 709 00:33:25,340 --> 00:33:23,309 the person yeah now it's really weird 710 00:33:27,980 --> 00:33:25,350 because in some of these cases we we did 711 00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:27,990 a book Tim and I along with Shaun 712 00:33:32,510 --> 00:33:30,600 Castille other contributors called the 713 00:33:36,190 --> 00:33:32,520 UFO repeaters the camera doesn't lie 714 00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:36,200 there are some people who seem to be 715 00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:39,840 like magnets when it comes to a UFOs we 716 00:33:44,930 --> 00:33:43,200 yeah a gentleman here in New York named 717 00:33:47,139 --> 00:33:44,940 Martin Brinkerhoff who actually 718 00:33:50,779 --> 00:33:47,149 photographs these things floating by his 719 00:33:54,019 --> 00:33:50,789 New York City apartment building and you 720 00:33:57,620 --> 00:33:54,029 know do not birds they're not clusters 721 00:33:59,419 --> 00:33:57,630 of balloons you know they're they're 722 00:34:02,570 --> 00:33:59,429 UFOs of one type or another now the 723 00:34:04,580 --> 00:34:02,580 question is does he 724 00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:04,590 you know attract them or are they 725 00:34:10,339 --> 00:34:07,919 looking out for him and in general but 726 00:34:12,409 --> 00:34:10,349 we have a lot of people who are we call 727 00:34:15,619 --> 00:34:12,419 UFO repeaters that seem to attract these 728 00:34:17,659 --> 00:34:15,629 thing now do you think either one of you 729 00:34:20,030 --> 00:34:17,669 can answer this or both of you that 730 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:20,040 there's some reason that you have 731 00:34:25,820 --> 00:34:22,530 attracted these objects is there any 732 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:25,830 sort of mental rapport going on that let 733 00:34:30,919 --> 00:34:28,649 me if I could just talk a little bit 734 00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:30,929 more about what's happening maybe you 735 00:34:35,810 --> 00:34:32,580 can even get an idea or maybe some 736 00:34:40,970 --> 00:34:35,820 thought process going on here I I held 737 00:34:42,589 --> 00:34:40,980 this major conference in in 2013 and I 738 00:34:44,839 --> 00:34:42,599 didn't want it where um they were 739 00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:44,849 selling you know had alien dolls and 740 00:34:48,260 --> 00:34:45,929 vendors and everything 741 00:34:51,849 --> 00:34:48,270 no vendors allowed it was strictly 742 00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:51,859 scientific I had Leslie came come down I 743 00:35:00,260 --> 00:34:53,730 had dr. Haynes 744 00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:00,270 dr. westrom I had dr. Wendt I had the 745 00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:03,780 head of J pond from Franz Xavier Paso at 746 00:35:11,059 --> 00:35:08,400 the time he came Jose lei from CFA out 747 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:11,069 of Chile came representing their 748 00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:14,970 government at a general de Brouwer from 749 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:15,599 Belgium 750 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:18,450 I had all these top government officials 751 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:21,690 and and military and and scientists and 752 00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:26,250 I and so I held this conference and one 753 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:28,079 of the luxuries and in Colonel halt was 754 00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,170 there is one of the things we did we've 755 00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,359 had a brown table discussion a private 756 00:35:39,020 --> 00:35:36,240 one just with me and these gentlemen to 757 00:35:44,930 --> 00:35:39,030 discuss what what has occurred in my 758 00:35:47,140 --> 00:35:44,940 life and dr. Haynes and dr. Western were 759 00:35:50,569 --> 00:35:47,150 basically helpful and basically 760 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:50,579 everything that's occurred I will tell 761 00:35:57,260 --> 00:35:54,930 you you you wrote a book on mi B's you 762 00:35:59,900 --> 00:35:57,270 did a publication and in my B's a couple 763 00:36:00,890 --> 00:35:59,910 of and there's a picture and there that 764 00:36:04,579 --> 00:36:00,900 you displayed 765 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:04,589 I had a investigation I went out for 766 00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:07,410 with MUFON it was a cattle mutilation 767 00:36:13,970 --> 00:36:11,280 and actually an abduction cattle and it 768 00:36:16,660 --> 00:36:13,980 was here in outside of Graham North 769 00:36:19,789 --> 00:36:16,670 Carolina outside of Burlington and I 770 00:36:22,819 --> 00:36:19,799 investigated this case the deputy 771 00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:22,829 sheriff said I went to they didn't have 772 00:36:26,510 --> 00:36:24,839 my name or nothing I just said I'm with 773 00:36:28,700 --> 00:36:26,520 new pawn and I was asked to come here 774 00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:28,710 they took me out to the site and I video 775 00:36:34,690 --> 00:36:31,710 tape this area and there were branches 776 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:34,700 broken in the woods where this cattle 777 00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:38,250 disappeared and they were broken up and 778 00:36:43,609 --> 00:36:42,000 I filmed this this area I couldn't get 779 00:36:50,299 --> 00:36:43,619 up because it was really high up in the 780 00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:50,309 air and two days later I'm gonna I'll 781 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:51,510 tell you like I told my wife and 782 00:36:55,490 --> 00:36:53,010 everybody I've got this one doctor I've 783 00:36:59,089 --> 00:36:55,500 documented this and it's on film 784 00:36:59,610 --> 00:36:59,099 I had an MIB encounter that came to my 785 00:37:03,110 --> 00:36:59,620 office 786 00:37:06,060 --> 00:37:03,120 I ran a property there in Hillsboro and 787 00:37:08,940 --> 00:37:06,070 these three and I'm going to tell you 788 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:08,950 one was I would say was a hybrid he 789 00:37:12,330 --> 00:37:10,930 looked I call him shorty and he was like 790 00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:12,340 the guy in your picture as a matter of 791 00:37:17,970 --> 00:37:15,280 fact it's almost identical looking this 792 00:37:20,970 --> 00:37:17,980 guy came in he was short and he did too 793 00:37:23,790 --> 00:37:20,980 talking but two guys came in there were 794 00:37:27,420 --> 00:37:23,800 identical twins they had to bend their 795 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:27,430 heads over to get in the door everything 796 00:37:31,380 --> 00:37:29,170 I told my wife and everything I've 797 00:37:34,290 --> 00:37:31,390 documented on saying about what occurred 798 00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:34,300 in my office there with these things and 799 00:37:39,810 --> 00:37:36,640 I call them things because they weren't 800 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:39,820 human what this is this is really 801 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:44,010 breaking news here I mean they this is a 802 00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:48,850 story and and they came in to my office 803 00:37:56,250 --> 00:37:52,720 and basically I knew right off to bed 804 00:37:58,650 --> 00:37:56,260 everything in this Niagara Falls film 805 00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,660 and story if you've ever seen the MIB 806 00:38:02,610 --> 00:38:00,400 Niagara Falls and they've got them on 807 00:38:05,660 --> 00:38:02,620 videotape where the security camera film 808 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:05,670 of them entering the hotel they're like 809 00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:08,490 right if you listen to that story 810 00:38:15,690 --> 00:38:11,110 that's everything I said works basically 811 00:38:17,340 --> 00:38:15,700 word-for-word back in 2003 when I was 812 00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:17,350 telling my wife and then I'm documented 813 00:38:21,330 --> 00:38:19,510 saying these things I felt like they 814 00:38:23,460 --> 00:38:21,340 read my mind I wanted to see their eyes 815 00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,470 the big tall ones I wanted to see their 816 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:25,920 eyes they had the sunglasses on I 817 00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:29,050 couldn't move I was it was almost I was 818 00:38:34,290 --> 00:38:31,180 frozen in my seat now I couldn't even 819 00:38:36,450 --> 00:38:34,300 swing around one got behind me but I 820 00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:36,460 kept focusing on this one by the door 821 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:38,110 that stood there at the door and wanted 822 00:38:42,030 --> 00:38:39,910 to see his eyes and I'm going to tell 823 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:42,040 you something it didn't even take you 824 00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:44,530 couldn't even little millisecond I mean 825 00:38:49,020 --> 00:38:46,630 it was instantaneous as soon as I 826 00:38:50,820 --> 00:38:49,030 thought I want to see your eyes this one 827 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:50,830 as he was standing up and so tall and 828 00:38:55,830 --> 00:38:53,890 I'm in my seat he bent his head down as 829 00:38:57,540 --> 00:38:55,840 soon as I thought that he'd been its 830 00:38:59,070 --> 00:38:57,550 head down and looked straight at the 831 00:39:03,690 --> 00:38:59,080 floor so I couldn't look up under his 832 00:39:05,070 --> 00:39:03,700 glasses and I remember thinking okay it 833 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:05,080 hit me right there okay so you read in 834 00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:07,930 my mind you know and then I started 835 00:39:13,319 --> 00:39:09,400 doing this reporting with this thing 836 00:39:15,769 --> 00:39:13,329 mentally and was very upset 837 00:39:17,999 --> 00:39:15,779 I mean I was irritated and I just 838 00:39:20,910 --> 00:39:18,009 basically was yelling it to sky in my 839 00:39:23,069 --> 00:39:20,920 mind and I over and over and over and 840 00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,079 the whole time to split he's standing to 841 00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:25,119 my left and he's yelling at me but I 842 00:39:29,370 --> 00:39:26,880 really can't hear what he's saying and 843 00:39:31,469 --> 00:39:29,380 finally he spends me around my chair and 844 00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:31,479 he looks down any wrist his glasses off 845 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:34,569 and like you want to see eyes and and he 846 00:39:40,739 --> 00:39:37,450 pulls his glasses off but his eyes were 847 00:39:44,279 --> 00:39:40,749 like perfect silver dollars larger than 848 00:39:46,170 --> 00:39:44,289 a silver dollar and it just shocked me I 849 00:39:48,839 --> 00:39:46,180 just remember sitting there and like 850 00:39:51,329 --> 00:39:48,849 homelessness state of shock and they 851 00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:51,339 were the bluest eyes I've ever seen in 852 00:39:56,009 --> 00:39:55,119 my life and and I they were it was just 853 00:39:58,680 --> 00:39:56,019 so strange 854 00:40:02,039 --> 00:39:58,690 well that was it was there any any 855 00:40:03,870 --> 00:40:02,049 verbal communication he set there and 856 00:40:05,849 --> 00:40:03,880 when I focused inland he was yelling he 857 00:40:08,219 --> 00:40:05,859 goes you do not go back out there do you 858 00:40:11,999 --> 00:40:08,229 understand me and he was telling me not 859 00:40:13,140 --> 00:40:12,009 to go back out to this site and I said 860 00:40:15,930 --> 00:40:13,150 yeah I hear you 861 00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:15,940 like that and he just spun around and 862 00:40:20,009 --> 00:40:18,609 they left and then I'm just sitting here 863 00:40:21,390 --> 00:40:20,019 and I'm wanting to get on my seat and I 864 00:40:23,370 --> 00:40:21,400 couldn't move and I wanted to go get 865 00:40:26,699 --> 00:40:23,380 their license plate and I'm like stuck 866 00:40:28,859 --> 00:40:26,709 in my seat and so I turn I kind of turn 867 00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:28,869 at this point as they start driving off 868 00:40:33,989 --> 00:40:32,440 I can get up I get up I go out and I 869 00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:33,999 can't read their license plate they're 870 00:40:39,449 --> 00:40:36,400 there they're too far away I go back in 871 00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:39,459 my office and my video camera which was 872 00:40:44,130 --> 00:40:41,049 on the other side of the room in a 873 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:44,140 kitchen area is the I can see the 874 00:40:51,359 --> 00:40:46,410 compartments open and the tape is gone 875 00:40:53,999 --> 00:40:51,369 hmm and I don't know how they even went 876 00:40:55,709 --> 00:40:54,009 over there got over there but now my 877 00:40:57,059 --> 00:40:55,719 then my tape was gone 878 00:40:58,709 --> 00:40:57,069 I mean luckily I had another 879 00:41:02,299 --> 00:40:58,719 investigators with me at the site at the 880 00:41:04,589 --> 00:41:02,309 time you know they could verify that but 881 00:41:06,569 --> 00:41:04,599 this occurred and it really shook me up 882 00:41:09,259 --> 00:41:06,579 so bad I stopped investigating from you 883 00:41:12,449 --> 00:41:09,269 part of the state section director 884 00:41:13,620 --> 00:41:12,459 investigating what were they dressed in 885 00:41:16,829 --> 00:41:13,630 I mean did they look like the typical 886 00:41:19,319 --> 00:41:16,839 minimum latitudes the yeah suits the 887 00:41:20,939 --> 00:41:19,329 whole deals of suits their suits weren't 888 00:41:23,849 --> 00:41:20,949 black black they were like a real dark 889 00:41:26,489 --> 00:41:23,859 gray but they had like the Fedor's the 890 00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:26,499 Frank Sinatra has two sunglasses no hair 891 00:41:30,270 --> 00:41:27,430 what 892 00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:30,280 the two tall ones I don't think their 893 00:41:37,859 --> 00:41:33,609 face was more than probably four inches 894 00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:37,869 wide they were so skinny and there 895 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:39,910 weren't have you done it have you had 896 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:43,690 anybody do a drawing of this no no I 897 00:41:49,470 --> 00:41:46,450 haven't not really what occurred is that 898 00:41:54,510 --> 00:41:49,480 when I got sick I've got an incurable 899 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:54,520 cancer and at this point in my life this 900 00:41:57,539 --> 00:41:56,530 is when my wife said can't you really 901 00:41:59,789 --> 00:41:57,549 got to sit down 902 00:42:01,289 --> 00:41:59,799 I want you to do one thing I want you to 903 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:01,299 have that conference you always wanted 904 00:42:05,819 --> 00:42:02,890 to have I wanted to have a highly 905 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:05,829 scientific conference where no you know 906 00:42:09,870 --> 00:42:07,930 nobody laughing those open no aliens I 907 00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:09,880 remember the conference in thinking it 908 00:42:16,140 --> 00:42:13,990 was rather a upscale maybe was the word 909 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:16,150 that I was saying yeah and and this is 910 00:42:19,260 --> 00:42:18,010 all of them even dr. Haines told him 911 00:42:20,789 --> 00:42:19,270 said they've never been to a conference 912 00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:20,799 like this ever 913 00:42:27,450 --> 00:42:24,250 dude it was you know as scientific as 914 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:27,460 this was an approach and this is what I 915 00:42:31,260 --> 00:42:29,170 wanted to have so my wife told me can't 916 00:42:33,630 --> 00:42:31,270 you've got to do this you've got to do 917 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:33,640 this conference you need to write your 918 00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:35,650 book write a book you know because I 919 00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,569 wanted my children to understand what my 920 00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:39,280 life has been like and what's going on 921 00:42:47,069 --> 00:42:43,710 and so here's some synchronicities 922 00:42:50,339 --> 00:42:47,079 deciding i had when i was nine years old 923 00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:50,349 a year and a half after the conference 924 00:43:00,000 --> 00:42:55,119 in 2013 MUFON does an article and it's 925 00:43:02,220 --> 00:43:00,010 an article of a kid that basically had 926 00:43:06,780 --> 00:43:02,230 an encounter with alien beings this 927 00:43:08,430 --> 00:43:06,790 craft came down it was in 1962 the same 928 00:43:10,530 --> 00:43:08,440 time as I had my sighting when I was 929 00:43:15,329 --> 00:43:10,540 nine and it was a quarter of a mile from 930 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:15,339 my house and Norman gagging on with me 931 00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:16,930 upon Virginia's the one that did the 932 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:20,049 article so I called these guys I'm like 933 00:43:23,339 --> 00:43:21,490 my gosh here it is I got this 934 00:43:26,010 --> 00:43:23,349 documentation everything I said when I 935 00:43:28,049 --> 00:43:26,020 was happening when I was mine now I'm 936 00:43:30,839 --> 00:43:28,059 you fun Post this that you did this 937 00:43:33,690 --> 00:43:30,849 investigation this occurred the same 938 00:43:36,589 --> 00:43:33,700 time in 62 and that's a quarter of a 939 00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,599 mile from my house in Falls Church and 940 00:43:42,270 --> 00:43:38,560 so nor 941 00:43:43,890 --> 00:43:42,280 and Tony and Ben moss from Yukon 942 00:43:47,790 --> 00:43:43,900 Virginia they all came down to my 943 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:47,800 conference I had last October and we sat 944 00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:48,970 and discussed and they want to get 945 00:43:56,310 --> 00:43:51,040 together and really deeply investigate 946 00:43:58,370 --> 00:43:56,320 that some more but that came out the 947 00:44:02,390 --> 00:43:58,380 lectures or anything up on YouTube 948 00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:02,400 no no III really Tim I really haven't 949 00:44:07,740 --> 00:44:05,440 I've been working so hard on writing a 950 00:44:10,740 --> 00:44:07,750 book and I really haven't really pushed 951 00:44:14,220 --> 00:44:10,750 it out there and you know wanted me to 952 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:14,230 share one other thing at that conference 953 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:15,850 one of the visitors there was Randall 954 00:44:22,260 --> 00:44:18,490 Nickerson who's doing that documentary 955 00:44:25,710 --> 00:44:22,270 on aerial phenomenon the area school in 956 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:25,720 Rahway Zimbabwe back in the 90s where 957 00:44:30,540 --> 00:44:27,130 all the schoolchildren where the craft 958 00:44:32,250 --> 00:44:30,550 came down the beings came God a yes okay 959 00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,260 well Randall happened to come to the 960 00:44:37,610 --> 00:44:34,720 conference and he was there and he 961 00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:37,620 actually came in stayed at my house and 962 00:44:43,170 --> 00:44:40,480 he wanted to interview me for this 963 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:43,180 documentary he was doing and as he 964 00:44:47,610 --> 00:44:45,610 sitting there talking one of the things 965 00:44:49,470 --> 00:44:47,620 that some people have said have you ever 966 00:44:51,870 --> 00:44:49,480 checked out Charles Hall because of 967 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:51,880 these in my bees you're talking about 968 00:44:56,910 --> 00:44:53,290 it's kind of sounding like tall whites 969 00:44:59,460 --> 00:44:56,920 and you need to hook up with him and 970 00:45:00,360 --> 00:44:59,470 talk to him about it and so I was 971 00:45:02,490 --> 00:45:00,370 talking to Reynold 972 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:02,500 after studying all Charles Hall and that 973 00:45:07,590 --> 00:45:04,210 whole area of dog-bone lake the whole 974 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:07,600 deal Randall says listen do you want to 975 00:45:12,810 --> 00:45:09,490 come and see something I filmed when I 976 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:12,820 was out there and I said it was just did 977 00:45:15,870 --> 00:45:14,650 you film this around dog bun lake and he 978 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:15,880 looked at me he goes are you with the 979 00:45:19,530 --> 00:45:16,330 government 980 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:19,540 I said why because what do you know 981 00:45:25,350 --> 00:45:22,330 about that area I said so I explained 982 00:45:27,930 --> 00:45:25,360 why you know I knew this he said well I 983 00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:27,940 got something I want to show you so we 984 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:30,730 went up to his hotel room my wife and I 985 00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:33,370 and we said and watched this film that 986 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:36,250 he filmed of this it's basically like a 987 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:39,010 glowing disk in this basically you're 988 00:45:45,540 --> 00:45:43,330 looking like 20 miles away and the 989 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:45,550 screen is a distance of like 27 miles 990 00:45:49,710 --> 00:45:48,250 apart from one end to the others is what 991 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:49,720 you're getting out of the viewfinder and 992 00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:52,250 this object comes down and 993 00:45:57,790 --> 00:45:55,250 it's across and just like a millisecond 994 00:46:00,100 --> 00:45:57,800 is it's across stops dead right over 995 00:46:01,570 --> 00:46:00,110 where Charles Hall said there you know 996 00:46:03,250 --> 00:46:01,580 these beings and the underground base 997 00:46:05,980 --> 00:46:03,260 they've got there and it goes straight 998 00:46:07,870 --> 00:46:05,990 down into that mountain and then all 999 00:46:09,250 --> 00:46:07,880 Senate comes back up and now a sudden 1000 00:46:11,290 --> 00:46:09,260 another one comes up and there's two of 1001 00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:11,300 them and they go up and down and then 1002 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:14,960 they zip off again and he goes I showed 1003 00:46:21,340 --> 00:46:18,530 this to dr. Haynes and his face turned 1004 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:21,350 all red and just his statement was what 1005 00:46:26,110 --> 00:46:23,090 are they why are they doing that there 1006 00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:26,120 and and he said it confused me a 1007 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:27,710 statement so I'm sitting there and I 1008 00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:29,330 watched this thing my wife sat there and 1009 00:46:33,820 --> 00:46:32,240 watched it and then the very next year 1010 00:46:37,540 --> 00:46:33,830 here MUFON comes out with another 1011 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:37,550 article where this pilot flying from st. 1012 00:46:43,420 --> 00:46:41,210 Louis to San Francisco gets diverted as 1013 00:46:45,550 --> 00:46:43,430 he gets close to area 51 he's diverted 1014 00:46:46,990 --> 00:46:45,560 north and they said they told him he's 1015 00:46:49,660 --> 00:46:47,000 got income there's going to be incoming 1016 00:46:53,470 --> 00:46:49,670 traffic diverting or well as he diverts 1017 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:53,480 north he looks at his cockpit window and 1018 00:46:59,350 --> 00:46:56,330 he sees this hologram come up where area 1019 00:47:02,860 --> 00:46:59,360 51 is and it's five miles high and it's 1020 00:47:04,930 --> 00:47:02,870 diamond-shaped a lavender color like a 1021 00:47:07,450 --> 00:47:04,940 diamond and then there's a light blue 1022 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:07,460 crosshair in the middle of this diamond 1023 00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:10,130 and this is five miles high and a mile 1024 00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:13,520 wide and he said all of a sudden here's 1025 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:16,400 all these little bright discs coming 1026 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:18,530 down and there's like twenty to thirty 1027 00:47:22,540 --> 00:47:20,930 of them and one by one they're zipping 1028 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:22,550 down and going right through that 1029 00:47:27,940 --> 00:47:23,930 crosshair and it's like they were all 1030 00:47:30,220 --> 00:47:27,950 going in for a landing and I said there 1031 00:47:31,780 --> 00:47:30,230 and when I saw this article I told patty 1032 00:47:35,110 --> 00:47:31,790 patty would you look at this article as 1033 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:35,120 it it is kind of describing exactly we 1034 00:47:39,340 --> 00:47:36,050 will be solvable 1035 00:47:42,490 --> 00:47:39,350 you know Randle film all right gonna 1036 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:42,500 have to interrupt okay all right yep yep 1037 00:47:46,060 --> 00:47:44,090 time to go to our break so when we come 1038 00:47:47,710 --> 00:47:46,070 back we will continue our conversation 1039 00:47:55,860 --> 00:47:47,720 with Kent and Lindsay Center on 1040 00:47:55,870 --> 00:48:00,240 [Music] 1041 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:04,750 explore the bazaars or e-ticket ride 1042 00:48:10,510 --> 00:48:07,210 into the world of the paranormal 1043 00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:10,520 strap yourself in as we traverse the 1044 00:48:17,940 --> 00:48:14,800 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 1045 00:48:20,319 --> 00:48:17,950 ghosts lost world 1046 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:20,329 cryptozoology waters as well as other 1047 00:48:29,290 --> 00:48:24,170 dimensions it's time to take back the 1048 00:48:32,410 --> 00:48:29,300 night now you are electrifying hosts of 1049 00:48:37,540 --> 00:48:32,420 exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and 1050 00:48:39,579 --> 00:48:37,550 Tim Schwartz and welcome back to 1051 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:39,589 exploring the bizarre I'm Tim Schwarz 1052 00:48:43,810 --> 00:48:42,050 tonight we are talking with Kent Center 1053 00:48:45,310 --> 00:48:43,820 and his daughter Lizzie center and 1054 00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:45,320 Lizzie I want to bring you into the 1055 00:48:53,530 --> 00:48:50,270 conversation here I wanted to ask you 1056 00:48:55,690 --> 00:48:53,540 about now as you were growing up with 1057 00:48:59,170 --> 00:48:55,700 your dad and you know the influence that 1058 00:49:02,380 --> 00:48:59,180 he had concerned you know UFOs and and 1059 00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:02,390 the like I mean were you interested I 1060 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:06,319 mean right as you know like you were a 1061 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:08,810 kid I know I have an 11 year old 1062 00:49:14,620 --> 00:49:13,130 daughter that she's not interested at 1063 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:14,630 all I don't you of course I don't try to 1064 00:49:19,630 --> 00:49:16,970 push you know anything on her if she 1065 00:49:23,470 --> 00:49:19,640 asked a question I'll answer it but you 1066 00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:23,480 know right now she could care less at 1067 00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:25,280 that age rubbing were you like that or 1068 00:49:28,059 --> 00:49:26,569 were you like you know dad what's this 1069 00:49:31,180 --> 00:49:28,069 look at that you know just all over the 1070 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:31,190 place away I don't remember asking too 1071 00:49:37,329 --> 00:49:34,970 many questions but he definitely told me 1072 00:49:40,180 --> 00:49:37,339 a lot of stories all the time and I do 1073 00:49:42,010 --> 00:49:40,190 remember when I was younger all of the 1074 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:42,020 field investigative work that he would 1075 00:49:45,730 --> 00:49:43,490 do he would have to go out and film 1076 00:49:47,770 --> 00:49:45,740 everything and I remember being young 1077 00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:47,780 and we would put those videos on to sit 1078 00:49:51,010 --> 00:49:49,280 there and watch it like it was just a 1079 00:49:53,770 --> 00:49:51,020 normal everyday thing to see that kind 1080 00:49:55,300 --> 00:49:53,780 of stuff but uh yeah if I had questions 1081 00:49:58,960 --> 00:49:55,310 I would always ask him but he never 1082 00:50:00,450 --> 00:49:58,970 pushed anything onto us at all he was 1083 00:50:03,609 --> 00:50:00,460 really good about it 1084 00:50:07,740 --> 00:50:03,619 okay now what about talking about this 1085 00:50:11,220 --> 00:50:07,750 with your friends when you were young 1086 00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:11,230 did did you make any attempts to do that 1087 00:50:19,140 --> 00:50:15,760 or will you like me when I was you know 1088 00:50:21,089 --> 00:50:19,150 I just I just stopped you know I just 1089 00:50:23,790 --> 00:50:21,099 you know you've just been like trying to 1090 00:50:25,620 --> 00:50:23,800 talk to a brick wall as you yeah yeah I 1091 00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:25,630 learned pretty quickly about who I could 1092 00:50:29,970 --> 00:50:27,640 talk to and who I couldn't that's for 1093 00:50:32,250 --> 00:50:29,980 sure I would get definitely get a lot of 1094 00:50:35,069 --> 00:50:32,260 looks like you were crazy or your family 1095 00:50:36,750 --> 00:50:35,079 is really strange and whatnot um so I 1096 00:50:38,250 --> 00:50:36,760 did for a while just not really say 1097 00:50:39,690 --> 00:50:38,260 anything to a lot of people but as I did 1098 00:50:43,290 --> 00:50:39,700 get older I mean it started becoming 1099 00:50:44,849 --> 00:50:43,300 more and more like it was easier to talk 1100 00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:44,859 to you about yeah I wouldn't yeah I 1101 00:50:54,740 --> 00:50:49,089 wonder if it's more acceptable today out 1102 00:50:57,329 --> 00:50:54,750 there in the and so-called the middle 1103 00:51:01,829 --> 00:50:57,339 America you know because of ancient 1104 00:51:06,540 --> 00:51:01,839 astronauts TV shows and UFO Hunters and 1105 00:51:08,809 --> 00:51:06,550 yeah if I could add I actually was asked 1106 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:08,819 to come and speak at a high school and 1107 00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:11,410 speak to three different high school 1108 00:51:19,620 --> 00:51:16,000 classes and I was shocked at the amount 1109 00:51:21,300 --> 00:51:19,630 they didn't know there was half the 1110 00:51:25,380 --> 00:51:21,310 class didn't even know what flying 1111 00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:25,390 saucers meant well and we're talking one 1112 00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:30,250 of these classes in AP class I was so 1113 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:35,200 shocked at what they didn't know just in 1114 00:51:41,550 --> 00:51:37,810 history it just it was so depressing to 1115 00:51:43,530 --> 00:51:41,560 me and my wife it's like unless I think 1116 00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:43,540 you have a background in the subject I 1117 00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:46,720 don't think people delve into this now I 1118 00:51:52,380 --> 00:51:49,839 think to kids nowadays just they're 1119 00:51:54,510 --> 00:51:52,390 losing their lives in history they're 1120 00:51:57,359 --> 00:51:54,520 losing track of what's occurred and 1121 00:52:00,000 --> 00:51:57,369 what's going on there's a lot of kids 1122 00:52:01,410 --> 00:52:00,010 now that still know quite a bit about it 1123 00:52:03,150 --> 00:52:01,420 I have people coming up to me they're 1124 00:52:04,829 --> 00:52:03,160 like fifteen to twenty years old they're 1125 00:52:06,510 --> 00:52:04,839 like oh my god believe in that I'm like 1126 00:52:09,390 --> 00:52:06,520 of course then I'll start going off like 1127 00:52:12,329 --> 00:52:09,400 with these no I think it just it really 1128 00:52:15,540 --> 00:52:12,339 just depends on who who your detail yeah 1129 00:52:18,359 --> 00:52:15,550 if I could add your question they were 1130 00:52:19,950 --> 00:52:18,369 kind of reminded me as I was growing up 1131 00:52:22,109 --> 00:52:19,960 I didn't talk to no one 1132 00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:22,119 and here's another little bit of 1133 00:52:28,260 --> 00:52:26,079 synchronicity synchronicity the a friend 1134 00:52:30,180 --> 00:52:28,270 of mine was happened that I grew up with 1135 00:52:34,859 --> 00:52:30,190 he lived on the street behind us in 1136 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:34,869 Falls Church and he became a policeman 1137 00:52:38,609 --> 00:52:37,210 here in North Carolina actually and he 1138 00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:38,619 lives in the same town I live in right 1139 00:52:42,750 --> 00:52:40,030 now 1140 00:52:46,650 --> 00:52:42,760 it became he does videography on the 1141 00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:46,660 side and films and he worked his entire 1142 00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:49,599 careers on the police force and he 1143 00:52:54,210 --> 00:52:52,030 became a detective the whole deal and I 1144 00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:54,220 never said anything about what I saw 1145 00:53:00,089 --> 00:52:58,480 growing up so my wife said you know 1146 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:00,099 before I had this conference she goes 1147 00:53:06,210 --> 00:53:04,930 why don't you call I'll tell you his 1148 00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:06,220 name is Wayne she goes why don't you 1149 00:53:10,740 --> 00:53:08,770 call Wayne and he's going to do some 1150 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:10,750 filming at the conference because maybe 1151 00:53:14,460 --> 00:53:12,730 his police background he can help you 1152 00:53:15,870 --> 00:53:14,470 because I wanted to go find out if there 1153 00:53:17,490 --> 00:53:15,880 are any other deputy sheriff's or 1154 00:53:20,550 --> 00:53:17,500 anything with that in my being on her if 1155 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:20,560 they had anything he goes maybe helped 1156 00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:23,290 used to go action I'm like Patti I I 1157 00:53:29,370 --> 00:53:25,599 don't want to tell this copter about 1158 00:53:31,470 --> 00:53:29,380 Hugh opposed and you know what all this 1159 00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:31,480 stuff growing up and I never even said 1160 00:53:35,130 --> 00:53:33,760 anything to him and so I had him come 1161 00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:35,140 over and she said would just ask him 1162 00:53:39,450 --> 00:53:37,359 asked him to give you a hand so I sit 1163 00:53:42,089 --> 00:53:39,460 there and I Pat he's sitting right there 1164 00:53:44,339 --> 00:53:42,099 and he came over and I said Wayne listen 1165 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:44,349 I got something to tell you and I need 1166 00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:47,050 your help and I said listen ever since I 1167 00:53:52,980 --> 00:53:49,140 was young I've been interested in UFOs 1168 00:53:54,660 --> 00:53:52,990 he goes yeah he goes you remember that 1169 00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:54,670 big rectangle you up open we were 1170 00:53:59,309 --> 00:53:57,520 sleeping on the porch and we came out 1171 00:54:03,480 --> 00:53:59,319 and there was that big rectangle UFO 1172 00:54:07,380 --> 00:54:03,490 that we saw and I don't remember that I 1173 00:54:09,450 --> 00:54:07,390 don't remember a rectangular UFO back in 1174 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:09,460 night ever even heard of such thing but 1175 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:11,890 all I remember was this disc of the 1176 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:13,450 glowing light but he was I was slept out 1177 00:54:19,470 --> 00:54:16,210 there by myself on that night and I have 1178 00:54:21,540 --> 00:54:19,480 no clue even to this day my wife her 1179 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:21,550 mouth just opened up and to her jaw just 1180 00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,770 drops wide open she was like what and 1181 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:25,359 I'm like Wayne I don't know what you're 1182 00:54:29,099 --> 00:54:25,930 talking about 1183 00:54:30,750 --> 00:54:29,109 he goes Kent there was a big rectangular 1184 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:30,760 craft it just set up over the backyard 1185 00:54:36,070 --> 00:54:32,930 it is don't you remember saying that 1186 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:36,080 and to this day I don't I don't remember 1187 00:54:43,450 --> 00:54:40,930 that but that floored me you know but 1188 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:43,460 one last thing I want to add and we'll 1189 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:46,130 let Lindsey go to town here's when I had 1190 00:54:51,370 --> 00:54:47,450 this conference I kept getting these 1191 00:54:53,350 --> 00:54:51,380 calls in 2013 from this old gentleman it 1192 00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:53,360 sound like he could hardly breathe but 1193 00:54:56,830 --> 00:54:55,280 he kept asking me he couldn't get to the 1194 00:54:59,290 --> 00:54:56,840 conference and wanted me to come see him 1195 00:55:01,390 --> 00:54:59,300 he had something to tell me and you know 1196 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:01,400 I'm like okay I get a ton of calls and 1197 00:55:05,650 --> 00:55:03,410 I'm like okay okay you know called me 1198 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:05,660 like 10 times and actually after the 1199 00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:07,370 conference is over and I had two DVDs 1200 00:55:09,940 --> 00:55:09,440 made and I was just so busy I forgot all 1201 00:55:14,170 --> 00:55:09,950 about it 1202 00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:14,180 well that's last October all of a sudden 1203 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:15,920 the manager of the hotel were having the 1204 00:55:18,790 --> 00:55:17,330 conference she comes in she goes I got a 1205 00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:18,800 message for you this guy wants you to 1206 00:55:23,500 --> 00:55:21,680 call him and when I saw the name I'm 1207 00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:23,510 like oh my gosh it's a guy called me 1208 00:55:27,610 --> 00:55:25,910 back in 2013 I never returned his call 1209 00:55:30,610 --> 00:55:27,620 and he's at it again 1210 00:55:33,550 --> 00:55:30,620 you know so I called him and he said 1211 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:33,560 listen you've got to come and see me he 1212 00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:38,450 goes I worked outside of Las Vegas back 1213 00:55:43,540 --> 00:55:40,910 in the 40s and 50s and I want to talk to 1214 00:55:45,100 --> 00:55:43,550 you about something I'm like okay and 1215 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:45,110 it's I you know I made a time and 1216 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:46,850 appointment and I got to thinking in Las 1217 00:55:50,260 --> 00:55:49,010 Vegas you know what did this guy do back 1218 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:50,270 in the 50s you know because it really 1219 00:55:54,100 --> 00:55:52,490 wasn't that big back then so I called 1220 00:55:57,130 --> 00:55:54,110 him back and I said look before I come I 1221 00:55:58,930 --> 00:55:57,140 want to bring a friend and like to 1222 00:56:00,970 --> 00:55:58,940 record a conversation if you don't mind 1223 00:56:02,650 --> 00:56:00,980 he goes no I don't mind he goes I said 1224 00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:02,660 well where did you work he goes I worked 1225 00:56:10,210 --> 00:56:07,040 for the FBI and I said okay well I'll be 1226 00:56:12,310 --> 00:56:10,220 there so my wife and Wayne actually went 1227 00:56:15,490 --> 00:56:12,320 with us and the three of us went to see 1228 00:56:18,940 --> 00:56:15,500 this guy and he proceeded to tell me the 1229 00:56:20,740 --> 00:56:18,950 story that his best friend his name is 1230 00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:20,750 Howard Richardson and his best friend 1231 00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:25,280 Lee Andrus were both FBI agents and he 1232 00:56:29,350 --> 00:56:26,930 was apparently lived outside of Vegas 1233 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:29,360 and Lee lived in Vegas so Lee asked him 1234 00:56:33,150 --> 00:56:30,650 to come spend the night and you know 1235 00:56:35,850 --> 00:56:33,160 they were going to go downtown and so 1236 00:56:37,930 --> 00:56:35,860 Howard went to go visit his friend and 1237 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:37,940 when he got there his friend was coming 1238 00:56:42,180 --> 00:56:39,770 out door said listen I got a call got to 1239 00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:42,190 go do you want to ride with me and 1240 00:56:46,450 --> 00:56:44,960 whether this is true or not Lee said no 1241 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:46,460 I want to stay here and 1242 00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,010 wait for you to come back but the way 1243 00:56:53,230 --> 00:56:51,200 this guy was is anxiety I'm just 1244 00:56:55,690 --> 00:56:53,240 wondering people went with the guy but 1245 00:56:59,740 --> 00:56:55,700 anyhow he said the guy returned late 1246 00:57:01,450 --> 00:56:59,750 that night all shook up then he got out 1247 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:01,460 and was driving out on a highway outside 1248 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:03,770 of Las Vegas and one of these 1249 00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:05,810 disc-shaped crafts had landed and there 1250 00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:08,240 were beings out running all around this 1251 00:57:13,089 --> 00:57:11,359 thing and he sat and watched it for 1252 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:13,099 hours and he was so shook up and 1253 00:57:18,609 --> 00:57:16,730 disheveled and the next day Lee Howard 1254 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:18,619 trying to talk about and he would not 1255 00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:20,690 open his mouth and he told lay not to 1256 00:57:27,010 --> 00:57:24,650 ever talk about it again and but the way 1257 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:27,020 you have to understand this guy the way 1258 00:57:30,940 --> 00:57:29,450 he's telling me and how much it bothered 1259 00:57:33,820 --> 00:57:30,950 him and this guy even called me three 1260 00:57:37,570 --> 00:57:33,830 years but this has bothered this man all 1261 00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:37,580 his life well as we're talking in am 1262 00:57:42,970 --> 00:57:39,890 interviewing him he passes out he just 1263 00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:42,980 falls asleep he's in his nineties and I 1264 00:57:47,140 --> 00:57:45,050 said look we'll just come back and and 1265 00:57:48,609 --> 00:57:47,150 and and see him so as we're leaving I 1266 00:57:50,140 --> 00:57:48,619 said look we'll come back you know and I 1267 00:57:52,810 --> 00:57:50,150 said I want you to get the dates down if 1268 00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:52,820 you can remember TV shows it or honor 1269 00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:54,530 anything we'll bring back when this 1270 00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:55,760 happened when this occurred the whole 1271 00:58:00,010 --> 00:57:57,280 deal I said I'll come back and see you 1272 00:58:01,570 --> 00:58:00,020 so I come back a couple weeks later and 1273 00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:01,580 called and called and called he wouldn't 1274 00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:04,160 answer the phone and all of a sudden my 1275 00:58:10,089 --> 00:58:06,910 wife says you know I hate to say this 1276 00:58:10,829 --> 00:58:10,099 pull up the Greensboro paper see if he's 1277 00:58:14,170 --> 00:58:10,839 in the obituaries 1278 00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:14,180 and I pull it up and darn it to the guy 1279 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:18,290 didn't pass away and so I'm looking at 1280 00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:20,930 the [\h__\h] where and this guy ended up 1281 00:58:24,460 --> 00:58:23,119 being ahead of all the special agents 1282 00:58:27,220 --> 00:58:24,470 out of the Federal Bureau of 1283 00:58:30,370 --> 00:58:27,230 Investigation's main office in DC out of 1284 00:58:33,579 --> 00:58:30,380 the headquarters and so he was no kook 1285 00:58:36,190 --> 00:58:33,589 you know but you know that's you you 1286 00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:36,200 you've got a hole there of a lot of very 1287 00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:41,510 interesting cases you know I one would 1288 00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:43,609 look forward to seeing you put this down 1289 00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:48,050 on paper and yeah working on it yeah you 1290 00:58:52,510 --> 00:58:51,369 certainly have gotten in on a lot of 1291 00:58:55,660 --> 00:58:52,520 weird 1292 00:58:57,900 --> 00:58:55,670 UFO activity so now Lindsay you 1293 00:59:00,200 --> 00:58:57,910 mentioned that you're talking to oh 1294 00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:00,210 people between the ages of 1295 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:05,250 see in in 20 years old did you say do 1296 00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:07,290 you see that there's an attitude change 1297 00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:09,119 among younger people as far as is 1298 00:59:15,530 --> 00:59:13,200 concerned or or they have they have more 1299 00:59:17,420 --> 00:59:15,540 than just a vague interest in it yeah 1300 00:59:20,359 --> 00:59:17,430 definitely as soon as people kind of 1301 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:20,369 figure out what I do now in terms of the 1302 00:59:22,970 --> 00:59:21,930 paranormal field and all that kind of 1303 00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:22,980 stuff and then they start asking 1304 00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:24,690 questions because they're actually 1305 00:59:28,609 --> 00:59:27,359 curious about it they don't compare to 1306 00:59:30,380 --> 00:59:28,619 when I was younger when I was younger 1307 00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:30,390 any mention of this kind of a thing 1308 00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:32,160 people are coming are you are you on 1309 00:59:35,329 --> 00:59:34,710 your - are you in your 20s now I'm in my 1310 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:35,339 30s 1311 00:59:41,690 --> 00:59:38,970 oh okay I just want it are and you're 1312 00:59:44,540 --> 00:59:41,700 you do some acting as well 1313 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:44,550 no no acting if you put a camera in 1314 00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:46,770 front of my face I was like a deer in 1315 00:59:50,690 --> 00:59:47,310 headlights 1316 00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:50,700 oh all right I don't know where I got 1317 00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:54,240 that idea I thought I saw on your 1318 01:00:00,280 --> 00:59:57,570 website so and I know what what do you 1319 01:00:04,609 --> 01:00:00,290 you're into other than just UFOs though 1320 01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:04,619 yes definitely um it goes spirits and 1321 01:00:07,490 --> 01:00:06,240 negative entities I called anything 1322 01:00:10,460 --> 01:00:07,500 paranormal 1323 01:00:15,410 --> 01:00:10,470 I'm definitely fascinated by because 1324 01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:15,420 it's just that curious or don't what 1325 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:18,089 have you had - have you had ghostly 1326 01:00:24,290 --> 01:00:21,650 encounters or exercise of poltergeist 1327 01:00:26,500 --> 01:00:24,300 I've never exercised anything that's 1328 01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:26,510 that's definitely out of my league but 1329 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:28,530 definitely have had encounters I'm 1330 01:00:35,420 --> 01:00:32,730 growing up places I lived for haunted so 1331 01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:35,430 to speak you know things would move or 1332 01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:38,400 you get the phantom smells or you see 1333 01:00:44,660 --> 01:00:42,570 apparitions or you would hear things - 1334 01:00:49,010 --> 01:00:44,670 either people talking or things moving 1335 01:00:50,570 --> 01:00:49,020 on their own or but yeah even still to 1336 01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:50,580 this day there's still activity that 1337 01:00:55,579 --> 01:00:53,280 happens it's just it's absolutely normal 1338 01:00:57,140 --> 01:00:55,589 I also go out and investigate as well 1339 01:01:00,740 --> 01:00:57,150 whenever have to go and help out at 1340 01:01:03,140 --> 01:01:00,750 events and stuff so yeah I mean I've had 1341 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:03,150 lots of experience I would say it 1342 01:01:07,820 --> 01:01:05,010 compared to what can you tell us about 1343 01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:07,830 one of your your most intriguing the 1344 01:01:13,060 --> 01:01:09,839 ghostly encounters or paranormal 1345 01:01:21,330 --> 01:01:13,070 experiences um 1346 01:01:23,530 --> 01:01:21,340 Oh where do I start let's see I have 1347 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:23,540 just recently I was at the Anderson 1348 01:01:28,810 --> 01:01:26,090 Hotel in Kentucky there is an event for 1349 01:01:32,050 --> 01:01:28,820 weird weekend's that was there they did 1350 01:01:34,420 --> 01:01:32,060 its investigating and that place is 1351 01:01:37,540 --> 01:01:34,430 actually pretty cool definitely saw 1352 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:37,550 something in one the hallways moving and 1353 01:01:43,150 --> 01:01:40,250 other people would catch EVPs electronic 1354 01:01:44,860 --> 01:01:43,160 voice phenomena on the recorders of 1355 01:01:46,180 --> 01:01:44,870 things that are in the room talking but 1356 01:01:49,870 --> 01:01:46,190 of course you can't really hear it too 1357 01:01:52,570 --> 01:01:49,880 well with your ear stuff like that it 1358 01:01:54,940 --> 01:01:52,580 happens anywhere I go and investigate 1359 01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:54,950 I've been scratched before I've 1360 01:02:00,850 --> 01:01:58,400 definitely been touched or poked and I 1361 01:02:04,540 --> 01:02:00,860 mean you kind of name it I've kind of 1362 01:02:06,070 --> 01:02:04,550 gone through it or experienced it so 1363 01:02:07,690 --> 01:02:06,080 it's all happening to me I wouldn't know 1364 01:02:10,750 --> 01:02:07,700 where to start with what would be like 1365 01:02:15,070 --> 01:02:10,760 what would stick out the most well how 1366 01:02:18,970 --> 01:02:15,080 about your first paranormal experiences 1367 01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:18,980 or is there one going back to when you 1368 01:02:23,890 --> 01:02:22,130 were growing up it's hard to pinpoint 1369 01:02:25,930 --> 01:02:23,900 because yet again like I kind of just 1370 01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:25,940 grew up with this so it's just always 1371 01:02:33,460 --> 01:02:30,410 been around and normal so I do remember 1372 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:33,470 as a child like after I think was around 1373 01:02:37,090 --> 01:02:34,970 the time and my great grandfather passed 1374 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:37,100 away that's when some activity picked up 1375 01:02:44,650 --> 01:02:41,690 in our home and it being just women in 1376 01:02:46,900 --> 01:02:44,660 the house it was just my mother and my 1377 01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:46,910 sister and I we would come home and we 1378 01:02:49,570 --> 01:02:47,690 would always smell my 1379 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:49,580 great-grandfather's Cologne but we 1380 01:02:54,850 --> 01:02:51,890 didn't have a yeah of his in the house 1381 01:02:56,350 --> 01:02:54,860 or we would think that you know walking 1382 01:03:00,100 --> 01:02:56,360 into a room my mother would sometimes 1383 01:03:02,620 --> 01:03:00,110 see him and our in our bedroom a music 1384 01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:02,630 box of play lights the cut on I would 1385 01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:04,130 always hear walking in the hallway just 1386 01:03:08,140 --> 01:03:06,890 all kinds of stuff so it but it's hard 1387 01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:08,150 to say like what was the very first 1388 01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:09,650 thing because it all just kind of runs 1389 01:03:13,900 --> 01:03:11,930 them together I I think we had a lady 1390 01:03:16,900 --> 01:03:13,910 Timmy remember on the show I think she 1391 01:03:19,870 --> 01:03:16,910 was from North or South Carolina where 1392 01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:19,880 she said she knew when Grandma was 1393 01:03:25,870 --> 01:03:23,330 around now they came from a like a 1394 01:03:26,890 --> 01:03:25,880 pretty strict religious Baptist family 1395 01:03:28,809 --> 01:03:26,900 so I didn't believe in this 1396 01:03:35,740 --> 01:03:28,819 but they could spell smell grandma's 1397 01:03:36,220 --> 01:03:35,750 apple pie that's right I want us I want 1398 01:03:42,339 --> 01:03:36,230 a slice 1399 01:03:44,109 --> 01:03:42,349 everybody just smelling it is a way of 1400 01:03:46,059 --> 01:03:44,119 something trying to communicate that 1401 01:03:48,430 --> 01:03:46,069 it's there or just a grandfather 1402 01:03:52,510 --> 01:03:48,440 grandfather cigar I'm not so wild about 1403 01:03:55,019 --> 01:03:52,520 but grandma's apple pie is is okay well 1404 01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:55,029 now do you see any connection between 1405 01:04:03,609 --> 01:04:00,079 the paranormal and UFOs a lot of times 1406 01:04:06,549 --> 01:04:03,619 there will be activity from people 1407 01:04:08,620 --> 01:04:06,559 having sightings or experiences with 1408 01:04:11,799 --> 01:04:08,630 beings and then there being paranormal 1409 01:04:13,569 --> 01:04:11,809 activity pickup in terms of people will 1410 01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:13,579 start thinking that they see spirits or 1411 01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:15,680 ghosts or things moving like poltergeist 1412 01:04:19,630 --> 01:04:17,119 activity things are moving on their own 1413 01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:19,640 and it's usually it there there is a 1414 01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:22,720 connection there I don't know exactly 1415 01:04:28,329 --> 01:04:25,730 what it is as of right now but I've 1416 01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:28,339 definitely noticed that trend going to 1417 01:04:33,970 --> 01:04:30,799 stuff does pick up have you have you 1418 01:04:36,010 --> 01:04:33,980 ever tried to discuss that with anybody 1419 01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:36,020 who's really you know heavy into the 1420 01:04:41,410 --> 01:04:38,960 whole ghost hunting thing because I mean 1421 01:04:44,019 --> 01:04:41,420 as Beckley and I know a lot of times 1422 01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:44,029 you'll just you know again you'll hit 1423 01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:46,970 that dead silence because it's like 1424 01:04:52,059 --> 01:04:49,130 Ghost Hunters be like what you believe 1425 01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:52,069 in that UFO stuff come on know anybody 1426 01:04:55,089 --> 01:04:53,839 and when it comes to paranormal with 1427 01:04:57,549 --> 01:04:55,099 ghosts and spirits and stuff they are 1428 01:05:01,769 --> 01:04:57,559 just as fascinated when it comes to 1429 01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:01,779 aliens and UFOs and beings and things so 1430 01:05:05,980 --> 01:05:04,490 know there are plenty of people I I'm 1431 01:05:08,410 --> 01:05:05,990 lucky to have the privilege to that I 1432 01:05:11,410 --> 01:05:08,420 can talk to whenever whenever I feel 1433 01:05:13,690 --> 01:05:11,420 like it and and yeah they it's 1434 01:05:15,549 --> 01:05:13,700 fascinating what they think and stuff so 1435 01:05:18,730 --> 01:05:15,559 they we definitely are starting to see a 1436 01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:18,740 lot of connections that's nice to hear I 1437 01:05:20,710 --> 01:05:19,250 would 1438 01:05:24,700 --> 01:05:20,720 why don't you what you tell us a little 1439 01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:24,710 bit about center stage events oh yeah so 1440 01:05:29,769 --> 01:05:27,680 I have a talent event and management 1441 01:05:30,940 --> 01:05:29,779 company for as of right now it's 1442 01:05:35,279 --> 01:05:30,950 specifically geared towards the 1443 01:05:38,940 --> 01:05:35,289 paranormal field so a lot of people that 1444 01:05:40,329 --> 01:05:38,950 many might see on TV especially like 1445 01:05:43,089 --> 01:05:40,339 ghost hunt 1446 01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:43,099 like grant willson and Adam berry Amy 1447 01:05:48,729 --> 01:05:46,130 Bruni KJ McCormick Destin Perry I manage 1448 01:05:50,799 --> 01:05:48,739 all of them they're on my roster but 1449 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:50,809 there's also people like John Tenney and 1450 01:05:55,569 --> 01:05:53,450 Greg and Dana Newkirk and chip Coffey 1451 01:05:58,809 --> 01:05:55,579 he's a psychic medium Chris Fleming 1452 01:06:01,749 --> 01:05:58,819 there there's a lot you are you you book 1453 01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:01,759 them for like lectures and events yes so 1454 01:06:05,289 --> 01:06:03,650 pretty much anybody that has an event 1455 01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:05,299 and they would like to have them come 1456 01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:07,119 out making appearance or for taking an 1457 01:06:11,079 --> 01:06:08,930 investigation or anything like that they 1458 01:06:13,450 --> 01:06:11,089 can definitely reach out to me and I can 1459 01:06:18,519 --> 01:06:13,460 pretty much try to make it happen for 1460 01:06:19,420 --> 01:06:18,529 them wonderful that's a that's a well we 1461 01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:19,430 used to have in the old days like 1462 01:06:24,670 --> 01:06:22,640 lecture lecture bureaus and miss apply 1463 01:06:28,329 --> 01:06:24,680 like colleges and high schools and 1464 01:06:31,930 --> 01:06:28,339 library libraries were a big they still 1465 01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:31,940 are to some degree places where the 1466 01:06:35,019 --> 01:06:33,650 libraries would well they had more money 1467 01:06:37,209 --> 01:06:35,029 in those things you know they have a set 1468 01:06:40,779 --> 01:06:37,219 budget and and they would bring in a 1469 01:06:43,959 --> 01:06:40,789 speaker on some particular topic man 1470 01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:43,969 that was a either of interest or our 1471 01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:46,160 done of interest I I remember giving a 1472 01:06:49,390 --> 01:06:47,690 couple of talks of there were as few as 1473 01:06:52,299 --> 01:06:49,400 three people but then on the other hand 1474 01:06:54,459 --> 01:06:52,309 the one or two talks where there was 120 1475 01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:54,469 in the in the audience uh that was the 1476 01:07:01,779 --> 01:06:57,920 like the library a circuit you know yeah 1477 01:07:04,029 --> 01:07:01,789 I used to put on the UFO conferences 1478 01:07:06,849 --> 01:07:04,039 around the the country I wouldn't say 1479 01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:06,859 that I was the first but no you couldn't 1480 01:07:13,390 --> 01:07:09,200 say that because George Van Tassel out 1481 01:07:16,140 --> 01:07:13,400 there Jai Rock Airport if he had he had 1482 01:07:19,900 --> 01:07:16,150 the the the granddaddy of all the UFO 1483 01:07:22,690 --> 01:07:19,910 events he would get up to 10,000 people 1484 01:07:25,450 --> 01:07:22,700 you know for a weekend and that would be 1485 01:07:28,620 --> 01:07:25,460 under the blistering hot you know a son 1486 01:07:31,630 --> 01:07:28,630 of a Joshua Tree in the Mojave Desert so 1487 01:07:33,489 --> 01:07:31,640 god bless them I don't know yeah how 1488 01:07:37,269 --> 01:07:33,499 people did that I remember going out to 1489 01:07:39,870 --> 01:07:37,279 the Joshua tree for the first time and 1490 01:07:42,099 --> 01:07:39,880 it must have been a hundred degrees and 1491 01:07:44,650 --> 01:07:42,109 everybody was carrying umbrellas and 1492 01:07:46,959 --> 01:07:44,660 wearing long-sleeve shirts I don't know 1493 01:07:48,519 --> 01:07:46,969 how they quite manage that but I guess 1494 01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:48,529 you know you have a different attitude 1495 01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:55,170 not not one of mine that what am i why I 1496 01:08:01,769 --> 01:07:57,039 like to visit there you certainly cannot 1497 01:08:05,420 --> 01:08:01,779 get a panoramic view of the sky like you 1498 01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:05,430 can yeah part of the country one out 1499 01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:08,170 you've lived in the North Carolina the 1500 01:08:13,940 --> 01:08:10,089 Kent all your life for pretty much all 1501 01:08:17,129 --> 01:08:13,950 your life well we we moved when I was 1502 01:08:19,169 --> 01:08:17,139 almost 5 years old up to DC and I lived 1503 01:08:22,610 --> 01:08:19,179 in DC all the way from my senior year in 1504 01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:22,620 high school and then I moved back down 1505 01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:25,810 down to North Carolina you're you're in 1506 01:08:31,379 --> 01:08:28,960 somewhat of a rural setting yeah yeah 1507 01:08:35,999 --> 01:08:31,389 it's a right outside Burlington North 1508 01:08:37,709 --> 01:08:36,009 Carolina and all right how you been down 1509 01:08:39,899 --> 01:08:37,719 to the Brown Mountain lights 1510 01:08:43,829 --> 01:08:39,909 yeah I've been down there didn't say 1511 01:08:46,620 --> 01:08:43,839 anything when I went in one trip in the 1512 01:08:47,999 --> 01:08:46,630 Asheville area we went down to cost as a 1513 01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:48,009 matter of fact even when he came down 1514 01:08:52,860 --> 01:08:50,489 with me we all caught the big Eclipse 1515 01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:52,870 went down to this is the setting the 1516 01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:56,290 western part of North Carolina well I I 1517 01:09:05,039 --> 01:09:01,120 was down to the brown mountain area back 1518 01:09:07,260 --> 01:09:05,049 in the mid-1960s so some of the original 1519 01:09:09,570 --> 01:09:07,270 witnesses like the roses and all that 1520 01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:09,580 they were still alive and we even had a 1521 01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:12,489 fellow there who had the Outer Space 1522 01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:15,520 Museum his name was Ralph Vallejo and 1523 01:09:21,419 --> 01:09:17,770 we've written about him and talked about 1524 01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:21,429 it on the air he was an old buck I don't 1525 01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:23,920 know up there and as I guess late 70s or 1526 01:09:30,629 --> 01:09:27,279 early 80s and he sold the you know what 1527 01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:30,639 you did beef jerky and and diet coke and 1528 01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:34,920 behind behind the counter he had a a 1529 01:09:40,979 --> 01:09:37,690 mummified there being in a coffin that 1530 01:09:43,019 --> 01:09:40,989 he said was a I never could figure out 1531 01:09:45,300 --> 01:09:43,029 exactly what he would he claimed it was 1532 01:09:47,910 --> 01:09:45,310 what it was like what we call a roadside 1533 01:09:49,709 --> 01:09:47,920 attraction that would yeah yeah anymore 1534 01:09:54,660 --> 01:09:49,719 but you know you got amort you got a 1535 01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:54,670 mermaid that you know one day a little 1536 01:09:59,160 --> 01:09:56,710 dwarf or something like anyway he had an 1537 01:10:02,129 --> 01:09:59,170 alien in a coffin and then he had some 1538 01:10:05,459 --> 01:10:02,139 really giant crystals he claimed that he 1539 01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:05,469 had been inside the inside the mountain 1540 01:10:08,820 --> 01:10:05,890 and had 1541 01:10:10,380 --> 01:10:08,830 regular contact with the people from the 1542 01:10:13,620 --> 01:10:10,390 planet pool or wherever they were from 1543 01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:13,630 is his was a rather stranger story but 1544 01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:17,050 he was a you know he had his roadside 1545 01:10:22,350 --> 01:10:20,410 attraction the outer space museum he he 1546 01:10:26,940 --> 01:10:22,360 put out a little booklet which I 1547 01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:26,950 probably have reprinted from and maybe 1548 01:10:31,950 --> 01:10:29,410 even have the copy still here I I was 1549 01:10:34,050 --> 01:10:31,960 called the Brown Mountain lights and he 1550 01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:34,060 was he was a character I mean in those 1551 01:10:39,060 --> 01:10:36,370 days you tended to find it you know I'm 1552 01:10:41,490 --> 01:10:39,070 more characters I think than today but 1553 01:10:44,250 --> 01:10:41,500 do you think that I mean the reason that 1554 01:10:46,890 --> 01:10:44,260 you've had these UFO incidents is 1555 01:10:48,270 --> 01:10:46,900 because there is a clearer view of the 1556 01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:48,280 heavens I mean does that have anything 1557 01:10:51,690 --> 01:10:50,320 to do with it do you think well we're 1558 01:10:53,690 --> 01:10:51,700 gonna have to we're gonna have to leave 1559 01:10:57,060 --> 01:10:53,700 this on a cliffhanger and because 1560 01:10:59,190 --> 01:10:57,070 unfortunately we're coming up on our 1561 01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:59,200 bottom of the hour break but remember 1562 01:11:03,810 --> 01:11:01,440 that because we'll take this up again 1563 01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:03,820 when we come back in just a few moments 1564 01:11:14,550 --> 01:11:06,730 on exploring the bizarre always by 1565 01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:18,700 now back to exploring the bazaars with 1566 01:11:24,580 --> 01:11:21,290 two of the most electrifying researchers 1567 01:11:29,950 --> 01:11:24,590 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca 1568 01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:29,960 Lee and Kings will once again to him 1569 01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:33,770 here we are at the bottom hour of our 1570 01:11:39,820 --> 01:11:37,730 show half hour to go and we have so many 1571 01:11:43,149 --> 01:11:39,830 more questions that we'd like this is 1572 01:11:45,370 --> 01:11:43,159 this has been a humdinger of a program 1573 01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:45,380 very real it really has now and 1574 01:11:50,649 --> 01:11:48,770 unfortunately I had yes Wow no no I was 1575 01:11:52,689 --> 01:11:50,659 just gonna say that I had to interrupt 1576 01:11:56,649 --> 01:11:52,699 you but when we had to go to our last 1577 01:11:59,229 --> 01:11:56,659 break you had a question for Kent so by 1578 01:12:03,459 --> 01:11:59,239 all means that continued that process oh 1579 01:12:05,709 --> 01:12:03,469 let me see now okay the question was it 1580 01:12:09,459 --> 01:12:05,719 that let's see that it wasn't more than 1581 01:12:14,919 --> 01:12:09,469 two syllables I about George bus sat in 1582 01:12:16,780 --> 01:12:14,929 my past and basically yes yes in cases 1583 01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:16,790 you might have investigated that we're 1584 01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:19,850 intriguing yeah I had mean just so many 1585 01:12:25,330 --> 01:12:22,730 numerous cases that this we're basically 1586 01:12:27,100 --> 01:12:25,340 things you could explain away nothing 1587 01:12:31,060 --> 01:12:27,110 that really stood out like the the 1588 01:12:33,459 --> 01:12:31,070 cattle case I had you know sharing I 1589 01:12:35,140 --> 01:12:33,469 shared so much with George he was the 1590 01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:35,150 only one I ever felt comfortable in the 1591 01:12:40,300 --> 01:12:37,489 life talking to about things that went 1592 01:12:42,010 --> 01:12:40,310 on in my life other than the little 1593 01:12:44,109 --> 01:12:42,020 round table discussion I had with dr. 1594 01:12:45,850 --> 01:12:44,119 Haynes and colonel halls and everything 1595 01:12:47,859 --> 01:12:45,860 and one of the main things I wanted to 1596 01:12:51,820 --> 01:12:47,869 get out of Colonel halt based on what he 1597 01:12:55,660 --> 01:12:51,830 saw at Randall's him and what I saw how 1598 01:12:57,459 --> 01:12:55,670 it impacted me and I wanted to know how 1599 01:12:59,410 --> 01:12:57,469 he felt I mean did it make a difference 1600 01:13:01,590 --> 01:12:59,420 in his life when he saw something like 1601 01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:01,600 that you know and he basically had that 1602 01:13:07,180 --> 01:13:04,400 military attitude he just matter of fact 1603 01:13:10,660 --> 01:13:07,190 he's kept it pretty close to the vest 1604 01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:10,670 and seems to like to stir up a little 1605 01:13:16,090 --> 01:13:13,280 bit of the of trouble there among the 1606 01:13:18,399 --> 01:13:16,100 other witnesses you know that there's 1607 01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:18,409 that yeah yeah there's actually a new 1608 01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:20,690 book out on the Rendlesham forest that 1609 01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:24,970 flying disc press which is 1610 01:13:30,900 --> 01:13:27,760 film film Mantle's company over there in 1611 01:13:34,050 --> 01:13:30,910 England has just brought out I haven't 1612 01:13:37,290 --> 01:13:34,060 read it yet but it looks like it's a 1613 01:13:42,030 --> 01:13:37,300 kind of an independent investigation of 1614 01:13:45,210 --> 01:13:42,040 the case which is probably important 1615 01:13:48,810 --> 01:13:45,220 because what we have for the most part 1616 01:13:50,850 --> 01:13:48,820 or individual sides of the story you 1617 01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:50,860 know taking my way take it that way this 1618 01:13:55,410 --> 01:13:53,290 happened this didn't happen I was there 1619 01:13:58,680 --> 01:13:55,420 I wasn't there you know I mean you kind 1620 01:14:01,290 --> 01:13:58,690 of kind of after well since 1980 you've 1621 01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:01,300 got a kind of a lot of contradictions 1622 01:14:04,830 --> 01:14:02,890 which you actually would expect because 1623 01:14:07,950 --> 01:14:04,840 I don't know how many witnesses were 1624 01:14:10,290 --> 01:14:07,960 there where we here 40 50 maybe more but 1625 01:14:13,470 --> 01:14:10,300 they were spread out on three different 1626 01:14:15,930 --> 01:14:13,480 nights and and in a variety of locations 1627 01:14:17,970 --> 01:14:15,940 and of course we hear mainly from the 1628 01:14:20,460 --> 01:14:17,980 the military the people that were in the 1629 01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:20,470 military they they're the Bentwaters but 1630 01:14:24,990 --> 01:14:23,290 there were also civilians you know 1631 01:14:28,050 --> 01:14:25,000 involved the people who lived in the 1632 01:14:30,990 --> 01:14:28,060 area in the town and so forth and they 1633 01:14:33,450 --> 01:14:31,000 seemed to have been forgotten about for 1634 01:14:36,270 --> 01:14:33,460 the most part although I think the 1635 01:14:39,210 --> 01:14:36,280 initial investigation by Dottie is a 1636 01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:39,220 street who's a friend on Facebook they 1637 01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:41,650 after all these years maybe had 1638 01:14:46,530 --> 01:14:44,370 interviewed some of those original 1639 01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:46,540 witnesses who lived in the countryside 1640 01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:49,570 there and and that's much the the 1641 01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:53,440 military but now you know I of course 1642 01:14:57,420 --> 01:14:55,330 like I say I I correspond with George 1643 01:15:00,090 --> 01:14:57,430 Fawcett and he would send me his update 1644 01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:00,100 and need to have him reprinted and Ray 1645 01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:02,170 Palmer's flying saucers magazine in that 1646 01:15:08,570 --> 01:15:04,960 book that I did inside the saucers going 1647 01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:08,580 back as far as 1964 did he ever have a 1648 01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:11,530 UFO sighting himself you know I yeah he 1649 01:15:17,670 --> 01:15:13,450 had a UFO sighting when he was in 1650 01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:17,680 college and you know things that we 1651 01:15:23,940 --> 01:15:20,050 shared with each other after the MIB 1652 01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:23,950 incident I had he shared with me he was 1653 01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:29,050 in Chicago giving a talk and he said 1654 01:15:33,780 --> 01:15:31,570 that when he walked outside there was 1655 01:15:36,090 --> 01:15:33,790 one waiting for mass him to get in the 1656 01:15:37,470 --> 01:15:36,100 car and he sat in the car and the guy 1657 01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:37,480 was telling them don't you talk about 1658 01:15:40,589 --> 01:15:38,050 this 1659 01:15:44,339 --> 01:15:40,599 no more and he goes we know everything 1660 01:15:46,830 --> 01:15:44,349 about you and we don't want you speaking 1661 01:15:48,930 --> 01:15:46,840 about this topic and he just kind of 1662 01:15:52,010 --> 01:15:48,940 blew him off but when he got home from 1663 01:15:56,839 --> 01:15:52,020 Chicago his daughter had called him and 1664 01:16:01,500 --> 01:15:56,849 she apparently was in college and 1665 01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:01,510 somehow an MIB came in her dorm room and 1666 01:16:05,700 --> 01:16:03,250 she called her dad because she was 1667 01:16:07,589 --> 01:16:05,710 really upset because this being found 1668 01:16:09,870 --> 01:16:07,599 out worse what college was she was at 1669 01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:09,880 the dorm she was staying in he he got 1670 01:16:13,260 --> 01:16:11,530 into her dorm room and was wanting her 1671 01:16:15,959 --> 01:16:13,270 to tell her dad to stop talking about 1672 01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:15,969 this stuff and he was sharing this with 1673 01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:19,449 me and he was like you know and things I 1674 01:16:23,129 --> 01:16:21,010 really don't want to discuss but these 1675 01:16:25,169 --> 01:16:23,139 things aren't you know like I said the 1676 01:16:28,140 --> 01:16:25,179 ones I saw the two of me what do you 1677 01:16:30,629 --> 01:16:28,150 make of these men and black who in the 1678 01:16:32,729 --> 01:16:30,639 hell are they I don't know but I can 1679 01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:32,739 tell you that the two tall ones were 1680 01:16:40,859 --> 01:16:34,690 definitely not human I mean they were 1681 01:16:43,140 --> 01:16:40,869 definitely not human the shorty just 1682 01:16:45,390 --> 01:16:43,150 because of his I want to say he was a 1683 01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:45,400 hybrid maybe he looked more like a 1684 01:16:50,189 --> 01:16:48,610 person just like in your picture he 1685 01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:50,199 looked more like a person but when he 1686 01:16:55,979 --> 01:16:51,730 took his glasses off those weren't 1687 01:16:58,620 --> 01:16:55,989 normal eyes and it just the whole 1688 01:17:01,200 --> 01:16:58,630 everything that occurred during that 1689 01:17:02,939 --> 01:17:01,210 time I in my roundtable discussion with 1690 01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:02,949 dr. Haynes and dr. Western and 1691 01:17:06,839 --> 01:17:05,040 everything and we really went to detail 1692 01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:06,849 about things that have occurred in my 1693 01:17:11,339 --> 01:17:09,730 life and I found out through dr. Haynes 1694 01:17:15,390 --> 01:17:11,349 as he was sitting there talking back and 1695 01:17:18,919 --> 01:17:15,400 forth of Western you know dr. Haynes was 1696 01:17:21,990 --> 01:17:18,929 more involved in just the sightings and 1697 01:17:25,410 --> 01:17:22,000 more than pilots reports and he told me 1698 01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:25,420 I was the 44th person that actually when 1699 01:17:30,359 --> 01:17:28,210 I was flashing my flashlight had some 1700 01:17:31,649 --> 01:17:30,369 type of communication interaction going 1701 01:17:34,830 --> 01:17:31,659 on yeah 1702 01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:34,840 dr. westrom said you know from your just 1703 01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:35,770 your stories 1704 01:17:40,500 --> 01:17:37,690 you're falling straight in line with 1705 01:17:43,250 --> 01:17:40,510 actual cases we've dealt with and he 1706 01:17:45,990 --> 01:17:43,260 said there are people that much like 1707 01:17:48,930 --> 01:17:46,000 Travis Walton you know that accidentally 1708 01:17:51,899 --> 01:17:48,940 came up on something and you know it 1709 01:17:54,449 --> 01:17:51,909 even Travis feels that he got too close 1710 01:17:56,129 --> 01:17:54,459 he got hurt by it by this crap and 1711 01:17:59,580 --> 01:17:56,139 that's why they took him to kept him 1712 01:18:01,919 --> 01:17:59,590 alive you know to revive him and you 1713 01:18:03,419 --> 01:18:01,929 know help him but he really it wasn't 1714 01:18:05,219 --> 01:18:03,429 supposed to happen and he goes and 1715 01:18:07,799 --> 01:18:05,229 there's ones that are chosen and he goes 1716 01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:07,809 and dr. Western said Kent he goes for 1717 01:18:12,540 --> 01:18:11,050 some reason you've been chosen he goes 1718 01:18:14,189 --> 01:18:12,550 we don't know what the reason is he can 1719 01:18:18,209 --> 01:18:14,199 tell you but all the cases in a study 1720 01:18:19,949 --> 01:18:18,219 you had been chosen and he got up and 1721 01:18:22,469 --> 01:18:19,959 came over to me and gave me a big hug 1722 01:18:25,890 --> 01:18:22,479 and he goes and it's okay he said trust 1723 01:18:29,370 --> 01:18:25,900 me he said you're not alone and it just 1724 01:18:31,409 --> 01:18:29,380 it it kind of reassured me in my life 1725 01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:31,419 that all these things you know it's it's 1726 01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:32,800 the point where you you know are you 1727 01:18:37,259 --> 01:18:35,650 crazy you know what the hell is going on 1728 01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:37,269 and what is all these things that it's 1729 01:18:40,890 --> 01:18:39,010 happening and occurring your 1730 01:18:43,290 --> 01:18:40,900 synchronicity and all this you know it's 1731 01:18:45,179 --> 01:18:43,300 just like what in the world and it's 1732 01:18:47,790 --> 01:18:45,189 just that some for some reason it's for 1733 01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:47,800 a reason I I don't know what it is I 1734 01:18:51,959 --> 01:18:50,050 still to this day it's like my friend 1735 01:18:54,089 --> 01:18:51,969 Wayne in the rectangular craft there are 1736 01:18:58,589 --> 01:18:54,099 things that I don't remember that other 1737 01:19:01,500 --> 01:18:58,599 people witnessed and it just for some 1738 01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:01,510 reason these things are around me you 1739 01:19:05,759 --> 01:19:04,449 know and and I'm not talking like I can 1740 01:19:07,290 --> 01:19:05,769 go outside and see them and it's 1741 01:19:11,779 --> 01:19:07,300 happened every day but we're talking 1742 01:19:15,679 --> 01:19:11,789 maybe 15 times in my whole life 1743 01:19:19,020 --> 01:19:15,689 major deal you got to start carrying a 1744 01:19:21,779 --> 01:19:19,030 cell phone with a good camera audit yeah 1745 01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:21,789 I have a video camera actually three of 1746 01:19:31,770 --> 01:19:29,280 them that I keep night vision goggles 1747 01:19:34,979 --> 01:19:31,780 what's that Lindsay wasn't it just last 1748 01:19:37,649 --> 01:19:34,989 year dad that you even had an incident 1749 01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:37,659 happened near the mountain go easy yeah 1750 01:19:43,770 --> 01:19:41,280 I was coming back you asked for anything 1751 01:19:47,219 --> 01:19:43,780 it was coming back to Asheville and it 1752 01:19:49,830 --> 01:19:47,229 was kind of drizzly night and I could 1753 01:19:52,620 --> 01:19:49,840 just see up in the clouds something like 1754 01:19:55,770 --> 01:19:52,630 something bright was just flying like 1755 01:19:59,370 --> 01:19:55,780 over my cars I was on Interstate 40 and 1756 01:20:02,600 --> 01:19:59,380 it was right down by old fort area on 1757 01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:02,610 i-40 and I was heading back towards 1758 01:20:07,199 --> 01:20:04,449 Burlington 1759 01:20:08,909 --> 01:20:07,209 and it was pitch black no cars though I 1760 01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:08,919 was like 2 in the morning and my car 1761 01:20:14,399 --> 01:20:12,130 just died it just died on the middle of 1762 01:20:16,799 --> 01:20:14,409 the interstate and I remember thinking 1763 01:20:18,810 --> 01:20:16,809 oh my gosh somebody's going to hit me 1764 01:20:21,229 --> 01:20:18,820 and my lights cut off everything cut off 1765 01:20:24,389 --> 01:20:21,239 and I turned the key couldn't get it on 1766 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:24,399 pull my lights back off and on it 1767 01:20:29,429 --> 01:20:27,610 nothing I had nothing and I got out of 1768 01:20:32,129 --> 01:20:29,439 the car you know pulled the hood and I 1769 01:20:33,389 --> 01:20:32,139 was rattling - shaking battery cables 1770 01:20:34,679 --> 01:20:33,399 you know just trying to figure out what 1771 01:20:36,779 --> 01:20:34,689 the heck is going on I got back in the 1772 01:20:38,879 --> 01:20:36,789 car 1773 01:20:41,909 --> 01:20:38,889 I just sat there and all of a sudden the 1774 01:20:47,299 --> 01:20:41,919 car just starts back up and then when I 1775 01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:47,309 get home even my cell phone the the the 1776 01:20:52,979 --> 01:20:51,010 time on my clock it disappeared on the 1777 01:20:55,199 --> 01:20:52,989 car because it just it's like the whole 1778 01:20:57,779 --> 01:20:55,209 thing died so basically back to zeros 1779 01:21:00,509 --> 01:20:57,789 but when I got home I noticed that even 1780 01:21:05,250 --> 01:21:00,519 my cell phone was like thirty five 1781 01:21:06,659 --> 01:21:05,260 minutes off time it was just thirty five 1782 01:21:10,199 --> 01:21:06,669 minutes off of my cell phone I'm like 1783 01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:10,209 what in the world and and you know my 1784 01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:12,880 wife Patti when I walked in the door you 1785 01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:14,530 know she was expecting a little earlier 1786 01:21:18,449 --> 01:21:16,449 and she said you have a traffic or what 1787 01:21:21,149 --> 01:21:18,459 she goes I'm like no and I told her what 1788 01:21:22,919 --> 01:21:21,159 happened and I said you know I ain't 1789 01:21:25,290 --> 01:21:22,929 even tried calling her now that my cell 1790 01:21:27,540 --> 01:21:25,300 phone would morning I looked at my phone 1791 01:21:28,859 --> 01:21:27,550 and it's 35 minutes off you know I'm 1792 01:21:32,370 --> 01:21:28,869 went oh my gosh look at that 1793 01:21:36,509 --> 01:21:32,380 you know we've got quite a few cases 1794 01:21:41,699 --> 01:21:36,519 where there's at that time yes placement 1795 01:21:44,250 --> 01:21:41,709 in fact in this case in England we call 1796 01:21:46,649 --> 01:21:44,260 it the thing the warminster flap that 1797 01:21:50,250 --> 01:21:46,659 went on for probably more than a yeah a 1798 01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:50,260 decade yeah the place where I had a you 1799 01:21:55,919 --> 01:21:52,449 know this is a UFO flash the light at 1800 01:21:58,199 --> 01:21:55,929 the UFO and it seemed to maneuver you 1801 01:22:01,250 --> 01:21:58,209 know when I blinked at it with my torch 1802 01:22:04,379 --> 01:22:01,260 like but there were all sorts of time 1803 01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:04,389 displacements there we're on the same 1804 01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:07,840 evening numerous of people in the town 1805 01:22:13,319 --> 01:22:10,570 there're watches were slowed down an 1806 01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:13,329 hour or whatever I mean it just times 1807 01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:16,719 seems to play a an important part in 1808 01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:18,130 this or maybe our 1809 01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:20,530 concept of time is just totally wrong 1810 01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:23,290 perhaps a UFOs are here to tell us that 1811 01:22:30,780 --> 01:22:27,760 there's a difference in our our our 1812 01:22:34,290 --> 01:22:30,790 entire what's the word I'm looking for 1813 01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:34,300 here our entire concept of the the 1814 01:22:38,970 --> 01:22:37,090 cosmos and the and a universe so yeah 1815 01:22:42,689 --> 01:22:38,980 what do you what do you do you have a 1816 01:22:46,050 --> 01:22:42,699 summation on all of this I mean are we 1817 01:22:51,030 --> 01:22:46,060 being visited by being some other planet 1818 01:22:55,189 --> 01:22:51,040 there's this apparent I have a I have 1819 01:22:58,680 --> 01:22:55,199 some pretty much it's not a good feeling 1820 01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:58,690 and I don't really push this I didn't 1821 01:23:03,540 --> 01:23:00,400 really talk to my kids or anything about 1822 01:23:05,490 --> 01:23:03,550 but I just sense that something is going 1823 01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:05,500 to happen I think the government knows 1824 01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:09,010 what's going to happen I do think just 1825 01:23:12,899 --> 01:23:10,239 there's so many reports of this 1826 01:23:14,820 --> 01:23:12,909 interdimensional where airline pilots 1827 01:23:19,649 --> 01:23:14,830 just you know craft just appear out of 1828 01:23:22,620 --> 01:23:19,659 nowhere I think there's like the 1829 01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:22,630 children it was school is in Bob way and 1830 01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:25,210 the messages they receive in their heads 1831 01:23:31,470 --> 01:23:29,489 I just think the government knows 1832 01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:31,480 basically what the future is going to 1833 01:23:37,350 --> 01:23:34,480 bring and I think these beings are here 1834 01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:37,360 to help I think they're here to save 1835 01:23:44,430 --> 01:23:42,610 parts I know you know you you see these 1836 01:23:46,770 --> 01:23:44,440 a lot of these landings where they're 1837 01:23:49,470 --> 01:23:46,780 getting plants and it's like they're 1838 01:23:51,899 --> 01:23:49,480 they're you know trying to save some of 1839 01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:51,909 the plant life and God knows what else 1840 01:23:57,060 --> 01:23:54,610 but there's so many you're in a rabbit 1841 01:23:59,340 --> 01:23:57,070 hole there's so many different roads 1842 01:24:02,189 --> 01:23:59,350 this branch out there absolutely you 1843 01:24:06,209 --> 01:24:02,199 know UFOs are are it's like it's like a 1844 01:24:08,129 --> 01:24:06,219 giant maze well you know we are pulling 1845 01:24:10,290 --> 01:24:08,139 up here towards the end of the show and 1846 01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:10,300 I did want to give you the opportunity 1847 01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:12,489 to tell our listeners where they might 1848 01:24:17,459 --> 01:24:15,280 obtain more information and this the 1849 01:24:20,220 --> 01:24:17,469 videos if they want to just go on 1850 01:24:23,490 --> 01:24:20,230 Facebook I did have a website but it 1851 01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:23,500 just cost too much and but my facebook 1852 01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:26,080 site it's a Center for UFO research in 1853 01:24:31,930 --> 01:24:30,370 see you can pull it up you can send me a 1854 01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:31,940 message 1855 01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:34,330 I have the DVDs just pay the postage 1856 01:24:40,900 --> 01:24:37,130 whatever and I'll ship these out to your 1857 01:24:43,990 --> 01:24:40,910 no charge for the DVD it was a great 1858 01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:44,000 conference a scientific conference a lot 1859 01:24:48,820 --> 01:24:46,850 of big names that I had come down well 1860 01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:48,830 you did another one you did another one 1861 01:24:55,090 --> 01:24:53,449 later on well what happened was one of 1862 01:24:58,200 --> 01:24:55,100 the things in books I really liked the 1863 01:25:00,939 --> 01:24:58,210 most was Timothy goods above top secret 1864 01:25:03,670 --> 01:25:00,949 had a lot of good information in that I 1865 01:25:05,530 --> 01:25:03,680 met Tennessee as a matter of fact the 1866 01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:05,540 night I received a call to go out in 1867 01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:08,449 this cattle mutilation I was at Timothy 1868 01:25:14,050 --> 01:25:12,410 good talk he was given in Raleigh and so 1869 01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:14,060 when I wanted to find a date and 1870 01:25:16,270 --> 01:25:14,930 everything because I didn't even have 1871 01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:16,280 the date I couldn't remember when the 1872 01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:18,290 date was I contacted Timothy so do you 1873 01:25:22,689 --> 01:25:20,090 remember speaking in Raleigh he gave me 1874 01:25:24,340 --> 01:25:22,699 the exact date of when that occurred so 1875 01:25:26,140 --> 01:25:24,350 that was helpful information but he was 1876 01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:26,150 the first one I asked to come to this 1877 01:25:32,020 --> 01:25:28,850 conference so I bought his plane ticket 1878 01:25:35,500 --> 01:25:32,030 from England and had everything set and 1879 01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:35,510 then when I got Lesley involved in all 1880 01:25:40,420 --> 01:25:38,960 these speakers there was an uproar that 1881 01:25:42,459 --> 01:25:40,430 someone wouldn't come because Tennessee 1882 01:25:45,729 --> 01:25:42,469 was going to be there they didn't want 1883 01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:45,739 to discuss aliens and as a matter of 1884 01:25:49,780 --> 01:25:48,560 fact the DVDs I have to them I have the 1885 01:25:52,090 --> 01:25:49,790 whole scholar which is called the 1886 01:25:54,430 --> 01:25:52,100 scholars collection but I didn't want to 1887 01:25:58,360 --> 01:25:54,440 censor Timothy good so I had to do a 1888 01:26:00,189 --> 01:25:58,370 separate DVD of Timothy's talk because 1889 01:26:05,470 --> 01:26:00,199 the others wouldn't want to be on there 1890 01:26:09,010 --> 01:26:05,480 if I had any what nitpicking you know 1891 01:26:11,380 --> 01:26:09,020 it's just politics and in the taboo and 1892 01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:11,390 the whole deal it was really frustrating 1893 01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:16,610 but so it's like he's got he's got some 1894 01:26:20,740 --> 01:26:18,770 pretty I mean he's gay you know he 1895 01:26:23,380 --> 01:26:20,750 believes in George Adamski and I'm sure 1896 01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:23,390 that most of the other speakers don't - 1897 01:26:29,380 --> 01:26:27,170 by the contactees stories but you know I 1898 01:26:32,170 --> 01:26:29,390 knew most of the contact easy to through 1899 01:26:34,420 --> 01:26:32,180 correspondence or meeting up with them 1900 01:26:36,850 --> 01:26:34,430 and they were a little bit of yang in a 1901 01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:36,860 little bit of the you know I mean they 1902 01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:39,290 they they had this um and then they 1903 01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:40,850 would add to the story because they 1904 01:26:44,050 --> 01:26:42,800 liked it they liked the limelight and 1905 01:26:45,970 --> 01:26:44,060 nobody made any money 1906 01:26:47,980 --> 01:26:45,980 you all for this series oh they 1907 01:26:51,190 --> 01:26:47,990 travelled around the country they went 1908 01:26:56,110 --> 01:26:51,200 on the Greyhound bus yeah you don't make 1909 01:26:58,300 --> 01:26:56,120 money in this stuff I mean I I'm I'm a 1910 01:27:00,910 --> 01:26:58,310 prefer if anybody is a professional 1911 01:27:02,620 --> 01:27:00,920 ufologists I guess I would be and I in 1912 01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:02,630 the book publishing business I mean for 1913 01:27:06,820 --> 01:27:05,930 a few years there people were just there 1914 01:27:08,740 --> 01:27:06,830 were bookstores 1915 01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:08,750 they were like 4,000 bookstores around 1916 01:27:13,090 --> 01:27:11,810 the country that catered to the I call 1917 01:27:15,490 --> 01:27:13,100 meant alternative 1918 01:27:17,290 --> 01:27:15,500 you know what just UFOs but yoga and 1919 01:27:18,970 --> 01:27:17,300 health food and stuff like that now 1920 01:27:20,980 --> 01:27:18,980 there are no book stores that cater to 1921 01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:20,990 anything outside of a Barnes and Noble 1922 01:27:24,670 --> 01:27:22,880 and you're not gonna get you know people 1923 01:27:27,250 --> 01:27:24,680 say oh but look they got a whole stack 1924 01:27:30,430 --> 01:27:27,260 of books in there well what people don't 1925 01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:30,440 realize is that Barnes & Noble takes the 1926 01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:32,930 book on consignment so they may have 40 1927 01:27:37,180 --> 01:27:35,810 copies of your book out there you get 1928 01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:37,190 paid for what you sell 1929 01:27:40,860 --> 01:27:39,410 maybe you're gonna sell five copies and 1930 01:27:44,170 --> 01:27:40,870 you've got to pay two shipping both ways 1931 01:27:46,900 --> 01:27:44,180 so but unless you got a couple of really 1932 01:27:48,190 --> 01:27:46,910 hot authors or something well I noticed 1933 01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:48,200 even the books now they put them on 1934 01:27:53,020 --> 01:27:50,330 cheap paper they're printed on newsprint 1935 01:27:55,930 --> 01:27:53,030 because they're putting out 40 or 50,000 1936 01:27:57,880 --> 01:27:55,940 copies and probably selling a third of 1937 01:28:00,340 --> 01:27:57,890 them and that's their their breakeven 1938 01:28:03,010 --> 01:28:00,350 it's like the old magazine business when 1939 01:28:05,500 --> 01:28:03,020 we used to do UFO universe and all these 1940 01:28:07,650 --> 01:28:05,510 other magazines you know your breakeven 1941 01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:07,660 was rather low but you got to keep your 1942 01:28:13,330 --> 01:28:11,570 overhead down to a minimum you know but 1943 01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:13,340 at least we have at least we did pay for 1944 01:28:18,820 --> 01:28:16,400 articles there I mean a nowadays is to 1945 01:28:21,340 --> 01:28:18,830 kind of hit or miss you know he posted 1946 01:28:22,990 --> 01:28:21,350 and my thing is just getting as much of 1947 01:28:25,510 --> 01:28:23,000 the truth out and that's occurred in the 1948 01:28:27,250 --> 01:28:25,520 past as possible just for knowledge just 1949 01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:27,260 yeah well that's the that's the 1950 01:28:32,530 --> 01:28:29,330 important thing I I could think that's 1951 01:28:34,210 --> 01:28:32,540 pretty much what we've gotten down to I 1952 01:28:36,970 --> 01:28:34,220 mean we got a few books we we just 1953 01:28:41,500 --> 01:28:36,980 published a book by Reverend Barry 1954 01:28:43,300 --> 01:28:41,510 downing who did yeah 50 he did a book 50 1955 01:28:47,530 --> 01:28:43,310 years ago is probably the original book 1956 01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:47,540 on the UFOs in the Bible Bible yeah yeah 1957 01:28:54,250 --> 01:28:51,250 and and it came out the same year is 1958 01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:54,260 Chariots of the Gods and it cost quite a 1959 01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:56,000 controversy well he was on the show 1960 01:28:59,960 --> 01:28:57,930 recently and it turned out that 1961 01:29:03,170 --> 01:28:59,970 he had a second manuscript that he wrote 1962 01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:03,180 up it was never published so I said you 1963 01:29:07,750 --> 01:29:05,370 know I mean I haven't published a book 1964 01:29:10,250 --> 01:29:07,760 by an outside Walter in a while but you 1965 01:29:12,470 --> 01:29:10,260 know if you wanted it's already there in 1966 01:29:14,420 --> 01:29:12,480 PDF form let me give it a shot and it 1967 01:29:15,860 --> 01:29:14,430 you know I mean it's not selling the 1968 01:29:18,590 --> 01:29:15,870 thousands of copies that would have if 1969 01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:18,600 it were done 20 years ago but you know 1970 01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:21,840 it's a in today's age of Amazon where 1971 01:29:28,340 --> 01:29:25,650 you got 17,000 other yeah it's doing a 1972 01:29:30,050 --> 01:29:28,350 few other things and we're trying to get 1973 01:29:32,750 --> 01:29:30,060 I don't know do you remember the story 1974 01:29:34,340 --> 01:29:32,760 of Carl Higdon the the Wyoming hunter 1975 01:29:36,650 --> 01:29:34,350 that had the experience that I always 1976 01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:36,660 thought was one of the top the cases 1977 01:29:41,420 --> 01:29:38,490 well I thought he had passed away what 1978 01:29:43,610 --> 01:29:41,430 was turns out I talked to his is a wife 1979 01:29:45,350 --> 01:29:43,620 they got it they got two books that 1980 01:29:47,330 --> 01:29:45,360 they've been working on and he's sitting 1981 01:29:49,220 --> 01:29:47,340 there and they're probably gonna publish 1982 01:29:51,350 --> 01:29:49,230 it themselves like his health has not 1983 01:29:53,900 --> 01:29:51,360 been all that great but they actually 1984 01:29:56,270 --> 01:29:53,910 did a show a couple of weeks ago and 1985 01:30:00,050 --> 01:29:56,280 yeah and I heard it and I said you know 1986 01:30:02,410 --> 01:30:00,060 I do this guy back wooden in the 1970s 1987 01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:02,420 got in touch with him you know so uh 1988 01:30:08,090 --> 01:30:05,520 okay well we're let me see here we've 1989 01:30:11,930 --> 01:30:08,100 got a view have you heard of Scott and 1990 01:30:14,150 --> 01:30:11,940 Suzanne Ramsey did the Aztek books yeah 1991 01:30:15,890 --> 01:30:14,160 they're there we've had them on the show 1992 01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:15,900 - yeah yeah yeah they're they're great 1993 01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:19,050 couple we've really you know we've we've 1994 01:30:25,700 --> 01:30:22,080 not this subject around now Tim how many 1995 01:30:31,420 --> 01:30:25,710 shows we've done oh I don't know four or 1996 01:30:34,340 --> 01:30:31,430 five yeah no III think Peter who keeps 1997 01:30:36,590 --> 01:30:34,350 these things said this would be maybe a 1998 01:30:40,130 --> 01:30:36,600 hundred and thirteen something like that 1999 01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:40,140 something we did other shows before that 2000 01:30:45,050 --> 01:30:43,170 and I've been doing this for 50 years so 2001 01:30:49,700 --> 01:30:45,060 I don't know I must have done a thousand 2002 01:30:53,930 --> 01:30:49,710 shows I've been and I'm still and I'm 2003 01:30:57,890 --> 01:30:53,940 still not talked out but Lindsey how can 2004 01:31:01,550 --> 01:30:57,900 people find you and find out your 2005 01:31:05,290 --> 01:31:01,560 activities and maybe book a speaker or a 2006 01:31:07,790 --> 01:31:05,300 a ghost hunter or a paranormal night 2007 01:31:09,770 --> 01:31:07,800 we've got it we've got Tom Reed on there 2008 01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:09,780 as well all my roster he's pretty 2009 01:31:13,370 --> 01:31:11,610 well-known in the UFO field 2010 01:31:18,050 --> 01:31:13,380 you can definitely find my information 2011 01:31:23,180 --> 01:31:18,060 at WWNT comm I'm on Twitter Instagram 2012 01:31:24,770 --> 01:31:23,190 Facebook all social media one a really 2013 01:31:28,490 --> 01:31:24,780 good event that's actually coming up in 2014 01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:28,500 March 23rd and 24th is going to be with 2015 01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:31,530 Grant Wilson and Chad Lindberg for the 2016 01:31:34,850 --> 01:31:33,210 lost limbs foundation we're going to be 2017 01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:34,860 doing an investigation at the Rhodes 2018 01:31:41,209 --> 01:31:39,690 hotel and Atlanta Indiana so that one's 2019 01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:41,219 actually going to be it's for a really 2020 01:31:44,030 --> 01:31:41,610 good cause 2021 01:31:46,129 --> 01:31:44,040 lost limbs foundation if anybody hasn't 2022 01:31:47,959 --> 01:31:46,139 heard of it it's a great charity they 2023 01:31:49,250 --> 01:31:47,969 help provide financial assistance to 2024 01:31:51,169 --> 01:31:49,260 families in need 2025 01:31:55,340 --> 01:31:51,179 whose family members are in need of 2026 01:31:57,740 --> 01:31:55,350 prosthetic limbs so a lot of proceeds to 2027 01:32:01,609 --> 01:31:57,750 that so it's gonna be great event if 2028 01:32:08,540 --> 01:32:01,619 anybody that's that center stage with an 2029 01:32:11,660 --> 01:32:08,550 S last name yes what is your what is 2030 01:32:14,270 --> 01:32:11,670 your most haunted hotel would you say I 2031 01:32:17,149 --> 01:32:14,280 mean it seems like every hotels got a 2032 01:32:19,370 --> 01:32:17,159 ghost in it now or if you think about 2033 01:32:21,950 --> 01:32:19,380 how many people have been on this planet 2034 01:32:24,979 --> 01:32:21,960 and how much space there is there isn't 2035 01:32:27,379 --> 01:32:24,989 really one one square mile that doesn't 2036 01:32:29,709 --> 01:32:27,389 have some sort of activity I think that 2037 01:32:32,090 --> 01:32:29,719 everywhere on some level is haunted 2038 01:32:34,490 --> 01:32:32,100 you'd like a Queen Mary though didn't 2039 01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:34,500 you yeah the Queen Mary was absolutely 2040 01:32:39,859 --> 01:32:37,170 amazing of course it's a it's a 2041 01:32:42,890 --> 01:32:39,869 definitely hotel still in a ship Mount 2042 01:32:44,330 --> 01:32:42,900 Washington is by far I think I think one 2043 01:32:45,919 --> 01:32:44,340 of the most beautiful places I think 2044 01:32:51,109 --> 01:32:45,929 you've gotta go you've got to go to 2045 01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:51,119 Jerome Arizona to Rome has got more 2046 01:32:59,359 --> 01:32:54,090 ghosts there than than they do people 2047 01:33:03,310 --> 01:32:59,369 actually this is like 444 people Wow but 2048 01:33:06,979 --> 01:33:03,320 the ghosts are amazing 2049 01:33:11,570 --> 01:33:06,989 I send you a copy the the book that I 2050 01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:11,580 wrote it has a whole chapter in it it's 2051 01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:13,650 one of the most amazing there's a ghost 2052 01:33:20,919 --> 01:33:17,610 hunter on every corner interest and it's 2053 01:33:24,350 --> 01:33:20,929 an old it's an old western town full of 2054 01:33:25,060 --> 01:33:24,360 prospectors and drunks and bordellos it 2055 01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:25,070 really 2056 01:33:31,660 --> 01:33:28,250 you know like weird stuff but we're here 2057 01:33:36,879 --> 01:33:31,670 attended their big pumpkin is coming to 2058 01:33:39,850 --> 01:33:36,889 crush us once again yeah well we got 2059 01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:39,860 probably a little lesson at two minutes 2060 01:33:48,660 --> 01:33:44,210 left in the show and let's see what okay 2061 01:33:57,430 --> 01:33:54,370 pumpkin pie so it all does go yeah we 2062 01:34:01,209 --> 01:33:57,440 are in we are in the holiday festive 2063 01:34:03,790 --> 01:34:01,219 mood here on exploring the the bazaar 2064 01:34:05,319 --> 01:34:03,800 and it's been a great show I think we've 2065 01:34:05,890 --> 01:34:05,329 learned that a Tim we learned a lot 2066 01:34:08,649 --> 01:34:05,900 tonight 2067 01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:08,659 Oh fantastic show and I just I wish we 2068 01:34:14,229 --> 01:34:11,210 had more time to talk to both Lynn well 2069 01:34:16,540 --> 01:34:14,239 yeah you know I guess we're just gonna 2070 01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:16,550 have to wait till it's time well you 2071 01:34:22,990 --> 01:34:19,449 know I think we will have Kenta back on 2072 01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:23,000 perhaps is a a panelist on one of our 2073 01:34:26,830 --> 01:34:24,770 shows they he's had so much experience 2074 01:34:29,379 --> 01:34:26,840 in this he can throw some of the 2075 01:34:31,450 --> 01:34:29,389 questions as some of the other guests 2076 01:34:33,910 --> 01:34:31,460 you know I think that'll be great yeah 2077 01:34:42,729 --> 01:34:33,920 absolutely wonderful wonder a wonderful 2078 01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:42,739 evening with a with a family all right 2079 01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:44,570 thank you thank you all for being with 2080 01:34:50,530 --> 01:34:46,730 us tonight and wish everybody a very 2081 01:34:58,509 --> 01:34:50,540 happy Thanksgiving yesterday yeah gobble 2082 01:35:04,209 --> 01:35:00,759 you've been listening to exploring the 2083 01:35:07,509 --> 01:35:04,219 bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley and 2084 01:35:09,790 --> 01:35:07,519 team Swartz they're taking back the 2085 01:35:12,339 --> 01:35:09,800 night by jetting non-stop across the 2086 01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:12,349 cosmos in search of the truly bizarre 2087 01:35:17,299 --> 01:35:15,650 and totally unexplained with you as 2088 01:35:19,779 --> 01:35:17,309 their combines 2089 01:35:24,260 --> 01:35:19,789 Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific 2090 01:35:27,919 --> 01:35:24,270 10:00 p.m. Eastern on the K cor digital 2091 01:35:30,830 --> 01:35:27,929 radio for more information on exploring 2092 01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:30,840 the bazaars and hosts Timothy Becky 2093 01:35:36,859 --> 01:35:33,690 Anton Swartz check out there k cor 2094 01:35:42,919 --> 01:35:36,869 digital radio network follow their 2095 01:35:53,950 --> 01:35:42,929 YouTube channel @m our UFO 1100 explore